Last word was that “Game limitations” prevent it from being fixed any further and they will not be doing any more development for it, so I was planning on a quick poke maybe this time next year (2 years after the new FM) and see if anything has changed.
Trust me, a LOT better than it was.
They cant be flown like a Phatnom, they do hold some advantages however, like the superior radar and RWR and in theory, better CM count. And the Skyflash SuperTEMPS are very good for 12.0.
So its all about how you fly it. I also highly recommend it in SB, its hella fun.
The buffs im hoping for currently:
F3:
BOL overhaul
Maybe 1x Phimat in place of an Aim-9L
Dechirped Aim-9Ls
Hindenburg Fuel tanks
combat thrust
F3 Late:
BOL overhaul
1-2 Phimat pods (Extra mounting, fuel tanks and/or in place of an Aim-9)
Aim-9M lock range buffs
Maybe Aim-120C5s when appropriate
(would love ASRAAM, but the BR would probably increase too much, but we’ll have to see how they are modeled)
Combat thrust
(and from an ASB perspective, a 13.3 bracket or a 13.0 BR)
Baller answer, thank you.
Sad that we probably wont see any FM changes but on the bright side the radar is pretty damn nice, perhaps my favourite in the game as of now.
I do have some questions regarding the buffs you’re hoping for, sorry if its annoying I just literally know nothing about the Tornado or F.3s in particular, the most I know is some stuff from the F.3 Operation Granby post. What do you mean by BOL overhaul and Combat Thrust?
personally idk about combat thrust, but BOL overhaul means using actual full sized flares rather than the shitty “small flares” used currently by all BOL pods which are worse at confusing IR missiles
BOL is currently modeled like normal flares but much smaller. They should instead produce a cloud of IR material that would be as strong, if not maybe stronger than a large calibre flare, you can see what it looks like in this video:
The downside of BOL is the short burn time, which is why you have loads. Even just restoring them to be 1 for 1 a normal flare strength with a shorter burn time though would be a major buff,
As for Chaff, they have 1/4 the mass they probably should have and so you need spam loads of the damn things to defeat anything.
Fixing BOL or at the very least restoring them to what they were like before the nerfs would be a major buff for a lot of our aircraft, including the F3.
Combat thrust is currently missing from every aircraft except the Mig-21BIS and would give any and all aircraft with it an extra boost in terms of speed/acceleration for a limited duration. It is hoped that the Combat thrust could be slightly overtuned on the F3 to compensate the current inaccurate drag that hurts it’s top speed
Ah, I’m getting flashbacks to all the times I’ve died in the Gripen, Gr.7 and F.3 from missiles I believed were totally not going to hit me. Here’s hoping it gets changed, Thank you again, you’ve genuinely been a great help.
@Morvran What stops the Tornado from being maneuverable? Wasn’t the point of swing wing to be effective in CQC and High/Fast Combat? I know it’s an attack aircraft but it feels really bad rn.
With regard to ingame. Its FM is essentially an unfinished placeholder that is underperforming in terms of ITR, but slightly overperforming in STR iirc. But its also got too much drag and so isnt as fast as it should be. (engines too should have an extra thrust setting)
As for it not being an exceptional dogfighter IRL. Im not sure, I think largely because it was designed with low alt interdiction in mind, not high alt interception. The engines werent optimised iirc for higher alts and so it struggled with gaining and maintain speed when up high. Needed full afterburner to keep up with a Sea Harrier at 30k ft iirc. Its entire design was based around sitting at 300ft in all weather.
Variable geometry wing just means it was able to get airbourne with a bigger bomb load and still enable higher speeds. I think.
ive been told that so many times now i have no clue how i dont remember it… also, im being sarcastic (kinda, still should be higher) about the 9m being equivalent to the asraam lol.
Especially when they put jets like the f104 asa at 12.0 cuz “reasons” while the a10c can sit at 11.7 because its slow? it can dog fight most things because its slow and now it has hmd with 9ms…
