Ozelot and Gepard 1A2 should be the same BR as other vehicles with Fim-92s

This will keep them on their toes until they find it and deal with it.
Maps aren’t that big and finding AAs isn’t a problem.

Hiding SPAA is very easy. Besides, 99% of players will just assume that you’ve moved on to anti-tank work.

Moving on to AT work right after you got a radar ping indicating there’s something to shoot at in the skies makes no sense.

An aircraft shutting off his radar to do AT work makes sense. Besides, the idea that aircraft would suspect an SPAA without radar pings is just strawman argument.

What does plane’s radar have to do with anything lol ?
SPAA doesn’t need to think if there’s an AA around if they got a RWR ping.

Because an SPAA shutting off his radar to do AT work makes sense. Besides, the idea that aircraft would suspect an SPAA without radar pings is just strawman argument.

It’s perfectly viable to suspect AA is up even without RWR pings.
Some AAs don’t have radar at all.

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Those are the ones you don’t need to worry about.

You do as they come with IR missiles.

We weren’t talking about IR missiles

usa cas has bad in this tier? go play with germany… finally no cas dominate in some br in groun rb and is problem"???

So CAS will always be aware of you.
They will also be aware of your rounds you fired (M247 excluded).

This is why M247 is much better than Gepard, as it’s rightfully shown in BR.

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Again

I wrote:

All but 1 9.0 aircraft have no RWR.

(mind the no)
This sentence can be broken up into 2 parts:

Part 1:

All but 1

Part 2:

9.0 aircraft have no RWR.

The phrase “all but” means:
grafik

Therefore:

All but 1 = All, except for one

Together with the second part of the sentence, it means the following:

All 9.0 aircraft, except for one, get no RWR.

This can be tricky to understand, as it is a double negative.
Another way of writing this would be:

Only one 9.0 aircraft gets a RWR.

I am sorry. I overestimated your English.

And you are hating on the Gepard and the Ozelot
The M247 can stay right where it is. Every dead CAS is a good CAS.

I mean you were the first to demand someone to name 7.7-8.7 US SPAA. After complaining that US has no good SPAA from 8.3 to 9.3 and being told that the M247 is there and capable.
Just write a suggestion that the proxy-rounds should be removed and the BR be lowered. Since in your opinon proxy-rounds are just not much better. And tada you got an 8.3 SPAA.

On a sidenote:

So you have destroyed dozens of actual WW2 vehicles with your Vietnam-Era SPAA. Shame on you.

The Ozelot doesn’t have it.

And the killing power of a Gepard is comparable to the killing power of a BTR-80A.
Both have around 65-70mm of pen with APT/API.
The M-42 even has 72mm, making it seemingly better than the Gepard.
The M53/59 even has like 90mm of pen, at 6.3. Imagine that… the Gepard at 6.3 or even 4.0…
It has only 40 rounds of APDS (so 20 shots total), which is enough to fight off 1, maybe 2 tanks as self defense, but no more.

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Germany has F-84F, AND Alpha jet, unlike America which only gets F-84F.

Yes, SPAA should never be both cheaper, AND more powerful than CAS at the same time.

No, you overestimate your own english.

And they’ve still not come back with an answer.

You were the only one complaining about 8.3-9.3 American SPAA. The point of this post has always been about 8.3-9.0 aircraft being ill-equipped to deal with Ozelot and Gepard 1A2.

so ignoring the F3H-2 with 6x 500 lb bombs or A4b with 9 x 500 lb bombs?

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It’s insane that this topic has almost 400 replies.
Normally topics like this get shot down really fast like other “got killed by this vehicle now nerf pls” topics

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He doesnt count those because they dont have ccrp to hold his hand.

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In that case, we can remove radar from Gepard and the Gepard clones because of hand holding ;)

Spaa being balanced vs cas isnt handholding.

Get better at the game. It is basically the one br range where spaa vs cas is actually balanced

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But SPAA being more powerful is. Saying that the easiest role to play in Warthunder, SPAA, getting the hardest part or playing it (determining lead and drop) removed isn’t handholding, yet CAS getting a simple counter and not just using the exact same technology from WW2 IS handholding, then clearly you’re too biased to partake in this discussion.