Stinger AA would be dropping if anything.
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Ok…you’re messing with us now right? The F-84F might be the only option for some nations but not the US.
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Roll speed is great, at least on Israeli’s premium version that I tried.
Then advocate for more additions.
That’s like saying you’d want to remove most high/top tier CAS since Israel only has Chappy which isn’t that great at it’s job. This isn’t the solution.
Name another non-premium/event 8.3-9.0 American plane that has either CCRP or guided weapons (bullpups obviously don’t count)
When you’re fast, low, and carrying nothing, it’s great, but when you’re carrying 2 tons of bombs, high alt, and slow, it’s awful.
If the F-100D and AV-8C were 1.0 lower in ground battles, or the YA-10A gets added, then that would help fix it for America, but not nations like Italy. There’s also the issue that Gajin has 0 interest in adding additions.
It’s better to move undertiered vehicles up (causes decompression), than to move overtiered vehicles down (causes compression).
They shouldn’t, they should go up.
I tested it with 4 bombs on deck going ~600km/h and was plenty.
F-100D is fine at 9.3.
8.3 air is allowed to be challenged by 9.3 AA, there’s nothing wrong in that.
IR slingers aren’t undertiered.
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In air? yeah it’s ok. in ground, however, It’d be a great way to add another 8.3 option.
The problem comes when SPAA is stronger than CAS, and when 8.3 planes need to be taken up to 8.7 and 9.0, and placed against undertiered 9.7s.
Stingers are.
No.
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Yes
…are you serious? Name another nation that has anything close to what the US can pull from CAS.
Show me another nation that has CMs as low as the US gets them.
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Israel, Italy, Germany, and France all get the F-84F.
Germany and France get alpha jets.
Sweden Gets SAAB-105
Now, name another non-premium/event 8.3-9.0 American plane that either has CCRP or guided weapons (bullpups obviously don’t count).
And why don’t bullpubs count? You have plenty of options, more so than any other nation. your just moving goalpost at this point.
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America has one option between 8.3 and 9.0, whist, as you can see above, nations like France and Germany get 2+
9.3 AAs should be stronger than 8.3 CAS.
Advocate for 8.3/8.7 additions as IR slingers definitely aren’t undertiered.
Or you could play 9.3 with A-4E which is one of the best CAS in the game at that range.
No, 70sp vehicles should never be stronger than 500+sp vehicles.
They are though.
A-4E isn’t 8.3 or 8.7 or 9.0, and it’s extremely limited.
Everything carries an insane amount of ordinance! Every single fighter can carry tons of bombs!
No other nation gets that!
Yes they should and this is a perfect example.
That’s like saying top tier AAs can’t be stronger than 9.0 CAS because one cost 70 SP and the other 300+.
Not really as even CAS that’s full BR lower can dodge their attacks. They only work against afk people.
A-4E is 9.3 and has TV guided bombs that easily outrange early IR slingers found on that BR.
Who cares? Without guided ordinance or CCRP, there’s nothing you can do against stingers, especially with shit airframes.
Yes, except for
USSR (tons very powerful autocannons, e.g Yak-9)
Germany (tons of powerful autocannons and bombs, e.g Do 335 or Me 410)
Britain (lots of powerful bombs and decent autocannons, e.g beaufighter)
France (lots of American and British planes)
Italy (lots of outsources and native planes with bombs and autocannons)
I can’t say for sure for Japan or China, but that leaves the only lacking nation low tier Sweden.
You also failed to address 8.3-9.0, which is what this entire discussion is about.
9.7 stingers are a perfect example of why it shouldn’t.
Those are separated and can’t face eachother, unlike 8.3-9.3.
Or anyone attacking tanks, or anyone in a slow F-84F.
Again, it’s not 8.3, or 8.7, or 9.0. It only outrangers IR vehicles if they stay in one spot whole game, and don’t stay hidden.
9.7 AA is allowed to be better than 8.3 CAS.
Your F-84F can’t see Ozelot or Gepard 1A2.
Attack AAs first, that’s CAS 101.
Making F-84F go slow is pilot’s fault.
You can lock vehicles with TV bombs.
9.7 stingers SPAA are better than 8.7 and 9.0 CAS aswell.
Literally nothing between 8.3 and 9.0 can compete with Ozelot and Gepard. Even 9.3s and 9.7s fair poorly against them, with the only plane even standing a chance being the A-4E. Even the A-4E is pretty limited in the CAS role having only 2 Walleyes.
You can’t attack AAs when they’re hiding.
No, F-84F has insanely shit energy retention and acceleration. You’re going to have to make a turn at some point.
You need to be well within stinger distance to lock onto enemies, outside of that you only lock onto the ground, which defeats the whole purpose.
They used to track enemies from further away, but Gajin for whatever reason decided to nerf, and move the A-4E up at the same time.
The nerf alone, or the BR change alone woulda balanced it.
That’s good.
F11F-1 is pretty damn nimble and can carry 4 bombs at 9.0.
What did you expect, half a dozen of TV bombs at 9.3 ?
That’s why you find them.
Plan to do your hard turns in places where you’re safe, not directly above the battlefield.
Stingers and other early IRs turn into a wet noodle after a couple of seconds going vertical, so dodging that should be far from hard. TV guided bombs have much larger effective range than dumb bombs or rockets found on other vehicles at that BR.
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