thank you for saying what we want, i really want some balance and more variety on teh france ground tree, rlly hope they add belgium or smth as a branch it would be nice
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Not only French tree.
If you mean that other trees have needs too, then yes I agree.
However, this topic specifically outlines those of the French tree. If you wish to discuss the others I can only advise you to make a topic to outline those needs.
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Very nice post, this highlights the shortcomings of the French tree.
Unfortunately, as you said, these problems have existed for a long time, Gaijin is surely aware of them but prefers to add new Russian or US vehicles rather than take care of France.
When you think about it, France is missing so many elements that adding them could be a major update.
The problem is that Gaijin doesn’t consider France to be a sufficient slot machine and therefore pays it very little attention.
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While it is indeed seemingly not a big money maker for Gaijin right now, I do believe that some key additions can make a huge difference when it comes to that.
The shortcomings are obviously well known to us, but some moderators have said that the more something is discussed, the more likely it is for Gaijin to look into it.
Thus we probably have to bring it up as often as we can and discuss it regularly, so that Gaijin realizes there’s a pressing issue.
The AMX-10RCR T40 would also be a nice addition.
In-fact you have a post for it already :)
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Yes, I agree, but only if the moderators pass on the information, which is not certain.
That’s the AMX 10 M HOT, the AMX 10 HOT is related but a different vehicle
Single barreled SPAA are pretty bad, might be a good idea to avoid those
the AMX 12 with quand MG 151 would be at a similar BR but much better.
Or the GMC 6x6 with the quad Flak38. More guns is always better for SPAA.
It would be the worst given most have ATGMs and those who don’t usually have big enough guns to compensate (25mm+). It would be like a Wiesel but the size of an AMX 30. Not even sure it is remotely viable for the state of the game.
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Thanks, really appreciate the feedback!
The AMX VCI T.20-13 isn’t in there as a SPAA btw, it’s there as an IFV. Indeed as an SPAA it would be quite mediocre with its mechanical single gunned turret.
Any suggestions what to replace the AMX 10P with in the IFV section perhaps?
You to l’AMX 10P 25
AMX 10 P 25 ( Maquette) :Maquetland.com:: Le monde de la maquette.
“Cet engin fut construit en adaptant la tourelle GIAT Dragar Giat armée d’un canon de 25mm sur le châssis du VCI AMX 10P
Il fut proposé à l exportation sans succès
Voici une photographie trouvée sur Internet cet engin est appelé sur internet AMX 10 D 25 alors que le CDEB l appelle AMX10P 25
Caractéristiques
Poids
Equipage 1+10
longueur 5.98 m
Largeur 2.83 m
Hauteur 2.8 m
Motorisation
HS 115 de 260 CV
Vitesse 65 kms/H amphibie 10 km/h
Autonomie 600kms
Armement
Tourelle monoplace Dragar
Canon de 25 mm M 811
4 DREBS”
It’s an export vehicle.
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does indeed look like a better alternative, got a picture of the thing IRL too:
Another alternative would be the Mars 15 T.25, basically the chassis of the Mars 15 with the Dragar turret mounted on top of it. So basically same general armament and useability but slightly different looks.
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Same 20mm but you get a decent top mounted MILAN and speed and a much smaller size (but less armour). A good ratty vehicle
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Looks perfect indeed! Chassis already there so a low effort add for Gaijin as well.
I’ve added in the list of possible IFVs (even though it arguably isn’t really an IFV I guess)
If it’s for France, it’s a real effort for Gaijin. 🤣🤣
But yes, it would be a good addition. On the other hand, I wonder if there isn’t a version without MILAN, which would put it at a much lower BR. Because France needs flak from BR 1.3 to 7.7, and knowing Gaijin and their excessive and dubious use of “c’est trop OP” they could refuse it without even making the effort to look further.
Personally, if there were a version without MILAN, I’d see it as BR 7.0 or earlier.
Well you could remove the Milan
Or have a whole other turret (just single 20mm, i can think of 4 of them rn, surely more i can’t remember them all)
Though I would prefer the GMC with 4 Flak38 as it would be a better SPAA (more dakka is never bad)
Here is another potential vehicle, the AML-60/20, we can also have the regular AML-60 as well mostly for variety sakes
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Personally, if we could stay with French equipment proposals, I’d like it just as much. The Flak38 would certainly add equipment, but only if the French didn’t have similar equipment at the same BR.
I love its look, but I’d see it more as one of the 1st IFVs in the technology branch.
Fair enough
Though i suggest both AML-60’s partially due to variety in terms of weapon type but also the AML-60 without the 20mm can be added to fill up the gap between the EBR 1951 & the AMX-13
If anybody is wondering the 60mm cannon that the AML-60 uses can use HEAT & APFSDS rounds with a total max pen of 200mm and 135mm (point blank) respectively according to the suggestion of the AML-60 on the old forum
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I just want to say that low BR fench tanks are dual faces, some are shitty and then you have the D2, a shot tanker, once got shot 10+ times by 3 eneimes still managed to survive, then got killed