of course it would win but only in terms of dogfight, for example look at F16C wich is what’s mostly comparable to, roughly same radar carries 2 AIM-7 and 6 AIM9-L, but F16C can carry 6 AIM-9M’s and F-2 prototype cant
You said to add it when the F-16AJ was added. It would have been competing with block 10/15/20s.
I’m not going to pretend to know enough about every nation to say what they should and shouldn’t have. My argument is only based on the AAM4 vs AIM120A. The game makes concessions at every level, I just don’t see why giving Japan the AIM120A for now is so unreasonable. I’m not arguing Japan should never get its own equipment. It should just come when it’s appropriate, like the AIM120C/D.
Well it’s a situation where most other air forces choose quality over quantity (in terms of 4/4.5 gen fighters anyway), mainly referring to the Eurofighter and Rafale vs American counterparts arguement and 9 times out of 10 they win simply because they are more advanced and equipped aircraft but are fielded in far smaller amounts, this plays into the doctrine of america in the terms they will build something good and build a lot of it compared to European counters who typically put a lot more budget and development time into their projects, resulting in a fundamentally superior aircraft at the cost of large pricetags and in turn having relatively small production counts
Sorry for the text wall but it’s a topic in which I have been clowning on americans for a long time and it’s finally coming to fruition in game.
It should be the AIM-120B for historical sake but yes.
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F16AJ is pretty darn good as it is rn, it has the block 10 flight model and the capacities of bringing AIM7 like the F16C, at its time when F16C wasnt ingame it was pretty hated cuz of this, and the F16C was afterwards added, the F-2 would’ve been the exact same thing with more turn rate and slightly faster, the situation would’ve stayed the same but in this case it wasnt gonna be a fake vehicle, altough there is still better options like F16 ADF from thailand
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I don’t really think it’s that simple. Unless your job is to actually study these aircraft I don’t give much weight to anybody’s opinion if they’re just a hobbyist like most of us.
historical sake? F15J MSIP entered service with AAM-4’s not AIM-120B’s they were tested but never entered service
You or somebody regarding this conversation specifically mentioned that the F-16AJ should not have been added and the XF-2A should have been added in place. So please, we are talking about comparing it to the block 10/15/20 F-16s.
tested >>> never used
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This would be an appropriate argument, IF Japan had a playerbase like Russia or Germany, however Japanese players make up a very small minority of top tier matches and ultimately, when taken into consideration how general BVR combat will take place will simply not have a big impact on the environment of top tier air as a whole.
This would be a more glaring issue if, say Russia receives an R-77-1 instead of the early R-77 since a large population of top tier air would have access to this missile, now you can see why the issue of the AAM-4 really isn’t as big of an issue in matches, yes it will be harder to face in a 1v1 but ultimately the platform receiving it is still limited by it’s radar
Yeah, that was me. Though I am not saying I currently think that a fully capable XF-2A should’ve been added at that time, it was just the public (and I admit my) opinion back then, on top of F-16AJ being leaked as F-2 as well, so the hype was there. F-16AJ just didn’t live up to the hype, and then Gaijin even failed to deliver the F-16AJ.
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it should have not been added instead there were better options
i said that was one of the better options there was also stuff you seem to be omiting other options i put like the thai F16’s wich you are conveniently ignoring
i compared the F16AJ to american F16’s ingame currently because the current F16AJ uses the block 10 flight model wich is the F16A in the current american TT, meanwhile it uses the AIM7’s found only on the block 15(F16A-ADF) the F16AJ is a block 10 with block 15 armament
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I am entering the aerospace defense industry by the end of the year and have been very heavily researching these sort of scenarios since they relate to my career, so not yet but eventually it will be my job to research and consider certain weapon systems and avionics.
Although I suppose my inherent bias towards European aircraft is clear but it’s also a well warranted one at that.
I’ve seen this argument a few times and it never really made sense. Sure, the Typhoon and Rafale may be more advanced than the F15 and F16, but the US was fielding the F22 about the same time the Europeans were fielding those jets.
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depends F35 for example, some european countries participated in the project, and some countries are being forced to make and buy F35’s license so they can carry nukes around according to the US
This argument only makes sense if the AAM-4 were better than the AIM-120A, which it currently isn’t in most situations. It is still only a development server, and the AAM-4 specifically still needs a lot of work. Don’t forget that if the F-15C gets the option to carry eight AIM-120s, the F-15J (M) will be limited to four AAM-4s.
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Firstly, I advise not taking this topic towards the ‘5th gen debate’ route since it’s a long and winding road but let’s put this into a war thunder situation, firstly the 4.5 gens will come far, far before we see a glimpse of 5th gens which only compounds with the fact that, specifically the Raptor, work best in an air superiority role, where it has access to AWACS and other friendly aircraft to boost datalink relay and situational awareness, a trait that many of the Euro 4.5 gens don’t necessarily require to perform under pressure since they have comparable AESA radars and arguably better and more modern sensors to develop a clearer and safer environment for the pilot even without the need for stealth capabilities.
People currently want it to at least be equal to the AIM-120A/B, which it currently isn’t. In fact, the entire report that was made and the suggestions people have given are mainly aimed at bringing the current AAM-4 to a level on par with the AIM-120A/B.
People just don’t want it to become like the AAM-3 situation, where it is quite literally a copy-paste AIM-9M with slightly better G loads. Is it really too much to ask for unique stats for unique missiles and not a hodgepodge of other missile stats?
