Damn. I am either dumb or I do not understand what do you mean lol
Nevermind, got it
But it doesn’t change the fact that they misunderstand brochures on Duplet and Nizh, or it is just me inventing stuff that shouldn’t be there
In essence it should be like this
3 layers of steel should give about 510mm of armor (without ERA)
Additionally 280mm should give 2 layers of dynamic protection.
The top layer will give 228mm
The second layer is 52mm
The second layer adds only 10% against APFSDS
God bless the translator😁
Hold on… But why do 34P and 19A exist in the first place…
I clearly get what you mean, no problem here. But I thought that Duplet’s casing is that of ХСЧКВ 34П and that of Nizh is ХСЧКВ 19А, which would explain why Duplet does better than Nizh. I couldn’t fathom Nizh being 5x more useless if it is made in 2 layers instead of 1.
Unless I am completely wrong and 19A is used in Nizh-LM and Duplet is, in fact, 2x Nizh-1M that is 34P
Edit: I am wrong, but only because 19A is used for turret top protection and hull sides, however it doesn’t explain why would two casings be invented if the one that is used in Duplet system is supposed to be Nizh (19A), then why 34P even exists, yet still is supposed to inserted in hull and turret as diagrams show? Does it mean 34P and 19A are the same in efficency, but why differentiate them then?
As far as I know, the ХСЧКВ 19 was developed to protect the roof of the tower and does not help against APFSDS.
Hold on, but 19A is legit 34P but smaller in proportions… It doesn’t make sense for a rather smaller version of 34P to not provide any KE protection
What I refer to
Gaijin just trying to make Oplot unplayble, with 2.5 degrees of vertical speed, no armor and 550 mm of penetration this is tank for 11.3, i hate gaijin
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the cost of having a reverse gear
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basically yeah with a worse round(and ofc more accurate modelling than whats currently in dev)
theres no such thing as a good tank that has good armor, good gun handling, good round, good reload, good reverse gear
You literally described Leo2A7V mate
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honestly ufp is kinda mid they still get one shot frontally easy and breech is more fragile than the abrums
Absolutely right.
ХСЧКВ 19 is a smaller version of ХСЧКВ 34
I think small shaped charges are not enough to counter APFSDS🤷♂️
As for the ХСЧКВ 34, its characteristics are known.
If you subtract 170mm of protection that a 50mm steel plate provides, it turns out that the developers estimated ERA at 55mm of protection😂
280 - 170 = 110
110/2=55
Although only one layer of ХСЧКВ 34 should provide about 229 mm of protection
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Terpite karliki, pokupayte paketiki
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Hmm, but why would that be the case? Wouldn’t supersonic round be already in the second layer of ERA very shortly after the time it fuses the first one? That is to say, the first layer would eliminate, say, 40% of the round (back of it), yet the rest of the projectile (60%) would be a bit slower yet in the second layer of ERA, which would again destroy like 50% of the projectile, thus leaving the rest 10% go to base armor?
It sounds stupid to make a second layer of ERA in that case because it wouldn’t provide efficency higher than NERA that shouldn’t be replaced like ERA and easier to maintain. Why would you make second layer of ERA go through 50mm plate, thus making it much weaker, if at the moment of triggering the round would almost completely bypass second layer fusing? And second layer wouldn’t be triggered by the first one, given 14.5mm AP-I bullet doesn’t trigger it, so why would explosion of first one through 50mm plate trigger second one? Why then make plate 50mm thick and not, say, 20mm if the first layer by design should trigger the second?
They are the most armored tanks in the game and have pretty much all what you described above.
Only thing Leo2a7V doesn’t have is APS, and that’s probably intentional
im definitely hoping some armor values get buffed here, im not an expert on ERA, but i understand that the translation of values from real world testing to the current in game system can be difficult, but from most accounts and testing, it looks like Duplet should offer similar if not superior values to Relict ERA. I know its hard to compare, but as of now in the game, if we look at the current assigned values, Duplet seems to be underperforming against high pen darts when compared to other ERA that offers kinetic protection, and IRL testing seems to show that it should act as a substantial improvement to Kontact 5, yet in game that dosnt seem to be reflected that well. i hope this is temporary and will be looked into further before launch