Seeing the most OP tech tree on this list is funny.
On top of that, people voting Japan? Perspectives are perspectives I guess.
TBH I haven’t had issue with any tech tree and don’t believe in the “minor tree” narrative.
Especially since at least 3 of the tech trees are treated better than USSR. :)
Coincidentally they have the least votes.
And you forget a minor nation in the all 6?
Well, Sweden is a major nation in Ground maybe
personally I don’t think Sweden suffers that much tbh, they have some of the best Ground lineups with plenty of Variety and air is pretty good aside from a few spots here and there, for a minor nation sweden is pretty well off compared to others in my opinion
Yeah i should predicted nobody cares China :(
China is in a sort of weird middle ground between a Major and Minor nation, Its a good nation for people who want both Russian and US vehicles without having to research individual trees I wouldn’t say it suffers, although Gaijin doesn’t seem to treat it like a massive cash cow like the other Major nations
Well it’s interesting that I hear China suffers a lot mote than Japan
Japan have the fastest reload time at top, a really good SAM, they even have these vehicles that dont exist like F-16AJ, R2Ys or Ho-Ri
And for China we coulds see lots of posts like this:
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/add-dtc-10e-s-apfsds-to-chinese-11-7-vehicles/95134/78
In fact at this forum i could see a post about “Delete China” every month and more in other communitys
personally that’s not how I see it but im not active across every part of the community so cant cover all the bases, it was simply just my opinion on what I thought and obviously people will have different views from me, I just feel that china is a pretty well rounded nation whereas japan completely lack vehicles, especially in air, after rank V.
Again as i’ve already stated its my opinion only and people won’t necessarily have the same viewpoints as me, i’m trying my best to just state what I feel and avoid Bias for certain nations, every nation will only be given as much attention as it brings money to gaijin, and ill admit im surprised china hasn’t become one of the Big 3 yet given the absolutely massive Chinese Player base War Thunder has
I believe there’s not so many Swedish players :)
And many Chinese players dont care the part before Tier 4 (these WW2 copy and paste TT) while often evaluate a nation just because it’s strong in the top tier
So i think it might be meaningless to say which nation is biased without saying in which mode and which BR, even considering C&P vehicles or not
Japan Air TT have almost nothing after Rank V, while China Ground vehicles really suffers in top. Maybe it’s a total result of the nation matchmaker which be made 10 years ago?
All you have to do to realize minor nations suffer big time is look at which jets they decided to downtier in the upcoming BR changes. Coincidentally they’re all the strongest jets at the BR, and coincidentally they’re all American and Russian! (And German)
Honestly it’s Israel. Merkava 4 is the 2nd worst top tier MBT (after Ariete, and even then devs are planning to give Ariete spall liners), it has basically no advantages compared to others except the gun has a good reload now (but even then it’s worse than the Abrams). Add on to that, it has nothing else at top tier, no SPAA or light tank options.
Israel in general is also a terrible tree, it’s like 1/3 Magachs, the most boring tank in the game, and there’s only 2 light tanks in the whole tree, both of which are rank 4.
All minor nations are actually fairly equal in planes, every nation has decent fighter and attacker options for most tiers. Though as UK, Italy, and Sweden have Gripens they have the best top tier planes, but the F-15s, F-16s, Mirage 4K, and even the boat of the J-11 aren’t that far behind. Though, I think Japan has the worst grind just because of the F-4EJ. The Thai F-5 has helped that greatly though.
For helis, I’d say Japan might be the worst cause they lack a top tier choice, and I don’t even think they have one IRL.
uh, what are you on about
i as a Sweden player admit Japan suffer more than us
i think the poll was about the state of the whole Minor nations not just the top tiers
Yeah but for pretty much every tier except the top few, minor nations are pretty equal, even when compared to the big 3. All nations have fairly solid rank 3-6s. France and Japan suffer more in tier 1 but they pass by really quickly, so it doesn’t really matter.
Like sure there’s a few gaps in those tiers, like early jet/late-prop CAS, a random mid-tier lineup being bad, and all the various rank 4 SPAA gaps, but overall the main differences are is at top tier.
Israel in this regard is the weakest, because after rank 4 they have 0 light vehicles, and most of the medium tanks are really sluggish too.
A lack of premium options for “minor” nations is also a big problem and it’s quite easy to solve, as you can make multiple c&p GE premium reskins across different brs. For example, Italy could easily get one of Hungarian MiG-21s as a GE premium + some slightly different variant of AMX can be a pack premium instead of F-104S as the only option.
Another issue is a lack of ingenious weapons (and designs as well) which would make vehicles more interesting (Medusa and Orione launchers, various WW2 bombs including MOTOBOMBA FFF, Sispre C-7 aams, ground vehicles equipped with Folgore recoilless rifles and etc).
All italy 11+ BR APDF 900mm
China to russian tree ( basically add tor and ztz )
Israel to USA tree ( basically 3 merkavas )
Remove all soviet stuff from other than russia ( except the german ones )
Remove spall lines
Game fixed 80%
If you are creating a poll, the sample has to be a random selection of the subset of people you are polling. So if you are interfering with this randomness, the polled sample is no longer representative.
So the title of the thread needs to be neutral and be more enticing to people leaning a certain way towards an answer of a poll-question.
The title is adressed to people playing minor nations. Which is fine regarding the first two questions as they are just asking things like “which minor nation do you play?”.
But the question like “should minor nation be a priority right now for gaijin?” Is like asking “what is better AB or RB?” In the RB subsection of the forum… The result isn’t representative of the war thunder playerbase. The question becomes useless.
1st issue I’ve always had is nations not getting content despite having options to do so while claiming they get less content be a use less people play them. Well who are people going to play the 3 nations that get 80% or more of an updates content or the nation still suffering from huge gaps and lack of regular content?
Look how much smaller the British tree is compared to the top 3 despite being in the game the same amount of time, being a major developer of weapons systems like planes, tanks and ships and technologies.
When new vehicles are added to nations outside top 3 they often lack the unique technology or me hanics that vehicle would have because it’s new and the top 3 don’t have it yet. But when it’s a top 3 nation it gets all the new tech while other have to wait months or years to get equivelant.
China should not be treated like a minor nation.
What’s most annoying is that 99% of the minor nations issues could probably be fixed in a single major update. They just… won’t
Britain for example:
Air:
We are mostly fine. Though they have made some colossal mistakes recently (Aim-9M on the Gr7 for example). But for the most part, what we need is just previous additions fixing. Tornado Gr1, Sea Harrier FRS1, Tornado F3, Harrier Gr7 and Buccaneer S2B. All missing crucial aspects that kinda nerf them hard.
Lower tiers are fine-ish, but missile systems like SRAAM and Red Tops need a total overhaul.
We could probably just do with additions like the Gnat and Hawk and our jet era stuff would be golden. But Britian has loads of additions that we are still waiting on, like a proper bomber mosquito.
Ground:
At top tier, it would just take 1 or 2 good IFVs and fixing the Challenger 2.
Below that, they really just need to polish our SPAA line and stop screwing around with the BR of tanks that were fine where they were (thinking tanks like the Chieftain Mk3)
Naval:
Mostly suffers due to compression. But would be good to get some missing features like naval radar. But all we really need is 1 good top tier Battleship. Which Britain has half a dozen to choose from.