None of them needed a BR change. What was needed was a change to the way 35mm shells work.
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xm246 is fine at 8.7 becouse it can get uptoierd to 9.0. 9.0=more lighttanks. in a 8.0 mach, there is to may heavy tanks
yeah yeah. Lets keep pretending we dont have helicopters anymore.
I just wish the HE-VT wasn’t a tier IV mod on the York. Stock grind is annoying.
XM246 is not the same as ZA-35 but their strengths are very close. For comparison ZA-35 does have speed, XM246 has a broken damage model probably untouched, for the good the battle rating change was needed, until the damage model is properly fixed then it will be finally balanced.
The most effective way to do it, believe it or not, it’s spading it in assault mode lol you just use default ammo then track the ai targets, only breaking one track to receive a kill assist. Til the end of the match +/- 15 minutes you will have 60-80 kill assist which is around 3500-4000 mission points, one match you unlocked one modification part if you have premium.
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It’s absolutely absurd they removed the DCA’s APDS and STILL kept it higher than most 35mm. Like please can someone explain ONE single thing the DCA is better than the gepard?
-slower
-worse radar
-slower fire rate
-worse aphe
-no stabilizer
-weaker armor
-no apds but gepards do
-slower turret traverse
Please I’m losing my mind here like I get it, apds belt for aa is absurd but its the only usable urban tank France has until like 9.3 and doing nothing to change br or buff it like falcon is really stupid. If they want to move all aphe aa up PLEASE DO IT ALREADY. It’s probably not going to change everything on earth but now pushing in urban maps (like 70% of match making for unthinkable reasons) is going to be harder, especially when fighting the same class of vehicles with legitimately every single advantage you can dream of that people arguably play way more than the falcon or DCA. This update doesn’t fix aa spam at all, just making 35mm have less competition.
Only thing I ever liked about DCA were the guns being closer, which is actually only really good against ground vehicles. Lets face it, DCA and Falcon were Gaijin’s sacrifices to keep the angry autocannon whiners from making even more topics on a daily basis. France with the DCA and the laughable Santal. Then AMX-10P before that… I mean, if you’re looking for SPAA - avoid France.
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SANTAL’s missile awfully reminds me of Tunguska’s one.
They both come off strong in the start but after 2-3s they just start falling on the ground.
I’d take Stinger slingers any day over SANTAL.
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This guy just wants all SPAAs raised in BR btw
idk the M247 imo is pretty low as well. not to mention it faces SACLOS helis with 4km HOTs while it gets radar and HEVT and a great RoF
Originally the XM246 was added to fill the 8.0 gap in the US Tree. That fact gets overlooked due to how the XM246 performs. Historically speaking, the XM246 is missing a lot. It doesn’t get APDS or HE-VT, and it has a copy pasted radar from the M247 when it should have the radar from the Phalanx CIWS/C-RAM. If it goes up massively in BR later on, then the gap comes back. There were a couple other designs from other companies in that SPAA competition that could fill the gap, but I’m not sure where Gaijin wants to take this.
LRF is straight up useless on the 35mm Oerlikons.
Not an issue for skilled and average players.
This is the only advantage, and it does not warrant being higher than the others.
Bear in mind the XM246 is bigger, slower, and has no APDS compared to all the other Gepards.
I understand that you’re biased against America, but being biased doesn’t help with balance.
APHE fix would be nice, but they all deserve to be raised either way.
Then just move ATGM helis up. This isn’t rocket science.
I’ve been using the free Yorks and they’ve been pretty good without HE-VT.
I use to think the York was bad, but just sucked at using it when I first got it.
The XM246’s armor is more comparable to the Gepard’s speed advantage.
“this guy” you mean most of the WT playerbase? Literally everyone hates fighting Gepards.
M247 and ATGM helis should be moved up too imo. That’s not the main issue at hand, however, which is the XM246 being moved up without the rest of the Gepards.
Honestly I’d be happy if the XM246 was fully buffed to match irl, if an 8.3 replacement (like the Sherman 75mm HE-VT thing) was added.
For now though, the rest of the Gepards seriously needa be raised to match the XM246.
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Biased against punisher lineups, not my fault US had one at 8.3.
So these two goes up. Simply as. How in the world can m247 & impchap be not op at 9.0 lmao
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They’re scared of “strong” “lol” CAS around 8.0–9.0. Those vehicles are locked in, and the last thing they want is a CAS player farming extra kills. That goes against their business model.
xm246 should not have had armored ammo racks. Tons of other vehicles do, but this is one of the only lower teir vehicles modeled with it. Its makes it FAR more durable than any other AA since you need to direct hit the ammo rather than rely on spalling.
Heres a better idea than uptiering all of them
Why do these vehicles have AP in the first place, not to mention why doesnt this extremely thin AP that isnt used against tanks because of its tendency to shatter, actually shatter
Like Russia 8.7? or Germany 8.3? or Sweden 8.3 . . .
Their most sold premiums are A-10A and Su-25 (maybe not No.1 right now, but still).
That’s what make it somewhat unpar with the other Gepards. Good armor for bad mobility.
AP is not the only reason they should be raised.
Either way that’s not really the issue. The issue is ONLY the XM246 (which isn’t even the strongest) got raised.
I do agree that the gepard should increase too for consistancy, but I would like to point out APDS is not the issue and has never been
APHE has alway’s been, it doasen’t matter that you can front pen some tanks with APDS because you will at most get there comender
Most anti-air are capable of penning more tanks with APHE and kill all of their crew by aiming at the same spot, because even if it just has 1/4 chance of doing minor damage to a crew member with each shot, the person will shoot that spot 60 time in a second