With the introduction of so many premiums at this bracket old jets that were artificially constricted on release are falling behind.
Specifically talking about
F-14A with Aim-9H - I wouldn’t trust this missile at 12.0 let alone 12.7
F-14B with Aim-9L and Aim-54C that are no better than the ones on F-14A while being the same BR as IRIAF.
MiG-29 with R-60M - same deal as with F-14A’s 9H’s: that missiles does not belong anywhere past 11.7.
F-16A with Aim-9L. I just can’t make this thing work, top cyberalthete streamers can’t make it work and according to statistics no one can make this thing work. Putting it lower in BR will only create unfair compression on the 11.0.
Maybe it is time to unnerf these planes and give them their late historical loadouts given that they have to face opponents from the 1990-2000’s anyways.
Give those fighers more advanced IR missiles that they have historically deployed like Aim-9L/M’s and R-73’s.
EDIT: fixed the wrong index from Aim-9P to Aim-9H for the F-14A.
At MiG-29s release, I ran only 2x R-27ERs for some time - same amount of A2A kills as with 4x additional R-60s. After unlocking 29G I barely touched the 12.7 MiG-29, and that was BEFORE the addition of all things like Su-27/33, ARHs and all the other stuff.
War Thunder has power creep? No way! Who could have guessed?
That’s what happens when the community cries “DOA” whenever a new vehicle isn’t in the top 1% at its BR
then check on F-16AJ i played it fairly more recently, it’s the 12.7 BR (where F-16ADF belonged before the AIM-120A BR buff)
Old jets that are rusty are F-4EJ Kai,… not F-16A Blk10 or F-14’s
some players need to stop being assisted,… and most don’t know how to play the game,…
If you have the IRIAF neither of the tech tree tomcats are really worth playing. F-14B especially being the same BR as it. The AIM-54 A or Cs are not a justifiable reason to have them at those Brs, especially since you do much better bring the AIM-7s in place of them on both aircraft.
I spaded the DDR MiG-29 recently while grinding the SLE. I’d take the R-60Ms over the AIM-9Ps but they are still not great. Most of your kills in it will be from the R-27s which you can only take 2 of.
The F-16A is tough, I think it will be better at 12.0. Sure it can hurt 11.0 compression like you said but it still lacks any radar missiles. I think its more fair than it fighting 13.3 aircraft with only 9Ls.
Its time for gaijiin to accept the BR +/- 1.0 is too much.
Even leaving all jets as they are rn evey issue i have goes away.
No more mig 15 vs mig 19
Mig19 vs 10.3 20g + missile slingers, gone
Phanrom and friends vs fox 3 no more
Nobody wants fox 2 f16 vs fox 3 f16
Waiting times is a blag. Personally i think Gaijiin has it all worked out with help from a top pycologist. Game always has you thinking if i could just use X jet. You get X jet and its de ja vu. Very clever IMO.
If it was just wait times they could search at BR for a minute, +/- 0.3 if not enough players found. Its not wait tiimes
This would be a solution to most of the Br compression. Only possible problem would be matchmaking times which would only be effected a little most likely
Why should it be at 12.7? I just got my F/A -18A Aussie version. You have a maximum of 4 Aim-7M’s and 2 Aim-9L’s ( you have to drop 4 Aim-9L’s to carry the extra 2 Aim-7M’s ) From what I can see there is no difference on the stat cards between M’s and F’s which are carred by 12.0 planes. The only thing going for the F/A-18A’s is there turning capabilites, but at high speed the good o’l 12.0’s can keep up with you and dog fight fairly well. The F/A-18’s at 12.7 all carry 6 Aim-7P’s and have very decent A2G loadouts also.
Why would there be higher waiting times??? More people would play more variety of planes if they didn’t have to get uptier’d so much and so often that those planes just become useless?
I’ll give you a quick example of my experience just today grinding out my 11.3 Hawk and then working on spading my 12.3 F/A-18A. 60-70% of my matches were complete +1 uptiers where i was bottom feeding with stock aircraft ( its so stressful ) The other 30-40% were +0.7 uptiers ( still painful because of the bracket I’m in ) Not once for over 12 hours did I ever get to be the top BR.
Hawk 200 RDA Vs Mig-23ML in every single match = death and no fun at all. Having 2 Aim-9L’s and no guns = 2 easy flaired missiles and then try to run away in a jet so slow while stock even an A-10A can run you down.
F/A-18A Vs SU30MK2’s = Death. Having to fight 13.0+ ARH slingers 100% of my matches is just plain boring and unfair since Chaff is only unlocked after researching.
In conclusion, I’d be happy to wait an extra 2 mins if it means i can fly out and actually gain from RP without been cannon fodder for planes I shouldn’t have to face. This goes for almost every BR bracket
Fox-1 AIM-7M are not given to any other aircrafts of 12.3 BR (only AIM-7F+AIM-9L)
F-16 AJ is carrying 2 AIM-7 + 4 AIM-9L and it’s a 12.7BR
the only reason why the F-16A Blk10 is 12.3 today is because it doesn’t have AIM-7
please go compare every other 12.3 aircraft and give one (outsides of all those F/A-18A) that have AIM-7M+AIM-9L at 12.3, and i’ll consider it back (by sending the F-4EJ Kai at 12.0 - which should not be the cas, as F-4J and F-4S should be 12.3 aswell)
