Then what is it dictated by then?
Dice roll probably? Otherwise how can you explain F-15s going down in br?
US Mains are terrible at the game?
F-15J and Baz are not in US tech tree
and if the US one moved down and the others didnt, what would happen?
then your statement would actually hold quite a lot of weight
or they are just pretty popular jets that were already outclassed by other 13.0’s, and get destroyed by premium Su-30’s. they shouldnt have gone down but blaming it on player skill is dumb
Are those 13.0s in the same room with you right now?
Gripen A, 13.0 Flankers especially now after the buff, some of the ARH 13.0’s
So? When do all the 12.7s move down to 12.3 that are outclassed by the F-15s?
come on
Gripen A has worse missile load, 13.0 Flankers have either much worse avionics or laughable amount of countermeasures. Sure they now can actually defeat F-15 in a dogfight… sometimes… But they are still not outclass F-15s
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still not awful, and it gets an insane FM and insane CM count.
large single pop CM’s so its bad compared to the F-15 (only for Su-33) but not as bad as it appears paper. RWR is bad on the Su-27 but still usable. its armament blows the early F-15’s out of the water in quality and quantity.
both have moderate disadvantages for huge advantages over the F-15
People still don’t know how to counter R-27ER in 2026? R-73 is an easy one-flare unless you allowed Flanker to get on your six at close distance, but in this situation you are gonna die to 9M as well. Right now you are just downplaying F-15 for some reason
Would be if BOL wasnt well… BOL
Though if that is the only reason for it to be 13.0, just do what they did to the Harrier T10, remove 2x BOL. Heck, could get away with no BOL if it meant a decent BR for it
oh come on we both know the R-27ER is the best SARH in game. if you want to go on about that, i could say the same for the AIM-7M which is even more valid since its worse in speed, manueverability, range, and has no datalink.
still kinematically superior to the 9M
you are downplaying the flankers
it still makes a big difference
its also got maybe the best FM at 13.0
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Hmm… Im not entirely sure if that is case or not these days. F-2 might have it beat
thats why i said maybe, if not #1 then its a close second. iirc the gripen does still have an edge but its worth checking
Though that is entirely offset by having essentially only 9Ms. Skyflash DFs are not good for that BR
I am not downplaying Flankers, they are 13.0 material and, if not for massive compression of Fox-3 bracket they can easily go up.
Yes, but it’s not a magical “kill everything that moves” missile. Especially combined with half blind N001.
Means nothing. AMRAAM kinematically superior to R-77, does this mean that F-15C massively outclass Su-27SM?