how does having the “best” missile help you if you see targets too late, cant hide your launchers cause they dont launch vertically and cant hit anything closer than 3 km at all help you? Even if you launch at targets further away the missile can be notched or multipathed (Like the ASTER, but the aster has about same speed/range and you can put its launchers right behind large buildings where they usually are very safe). It is among the worst top tier spaas which is shown in its stats.
Yes it does have a good missile. but the radar doesnt see planes you can see with your bare eye for 5 seconds, it shows ghost targets all over the place and half the time you cant launch because of “obstacle in the way”. You need a lock on the target to launch in the first place. If you cant get that or get it too late the best missile in the world wont help you.
The IRIS-T and the SAMP-T are leagues better than the buk. Thats just a fact.
IRST better yes SAMP-T no not really its pretty easy to evade if your not afk and with a 2m proxy fuse multipathing the missile is braindead easy. The radar is def the buks biggest weakness but keep in mid you can still turn on the radar on your launchers while your radar unit is active to boost detection speeds and tracking by a lot.
Sure you can, but to do that you need to know where the most important target is in the first place. And the absolutely abysmal main radar doesnt exactly help with that, picking up stuff 5 seconds after they were in plan fov. Ive played The IRIS-T, SAMPT and buk now quite a lot and the best one for me is the SAMP-T simply because of its very good radar. You can play in 3rd person most of the time find unexpected spots, if someone is popping up, your radar immediately piicks him up and you can shoot (ofc as long as youre not looking in the completely opposite direction). After that launch its just-go to radar menu, check if hes launched missiles and shoot them all down. thats like a 3 second process. Maybe 5. In those 5 seconds in the BUK you wont even have realized someone was popping up for an attack run. Then your launchers are facing the completely wrong way because your radar picked up a drone 10 km behind the map. Do you know where they are pointing? nope…try to get a softlock on the main target…obstacle in the way, cant launch… then you feed some sp to the enemy cas.
Srsly the BUK is trash except for flat open maps where you can cover most angles over a long distance and it leaves very few angles for enemy planes to get close. And dont even get me started on really close cas or heli rushers. BUK also sucks vs those. so youre even relying to other spaa to help you out with those while IRIS-T and ASTER can hit stuff as close as 1.5 km
And im not imagining stuff, the stats clearly show how bad the BUK is. It has worse stats than the CLAWS which sits 0.3 BR lower
Thx for posting that, im too lazy to copy the numbers into the forum again. Its about time that myth about the “best SPAA with the best missile” has an end, where people that never played it fantasize about how broken the BUK is, when it is clearly not. Its literally pointless if the pantsir is still the better choice in 95% of situations.
With the addition of the free pantsir , those close Heli rushed and jets will never get close to a buk in like ever. With so many russian light tanks capable of killing Heli rushers that’s also adds to it not being a problem
Thats kinda true, the pantsir spam helps the buk but still, the BUK TELAR has a K/D of 0.8!!! the IRIS/T has 1.9. Imagine how people would react if those were the stat differences of top tier mbts!
0.8 for the radar vehicle…thats already a net negative unless you somehow magically manage to down a 800 sp plane. after that do you think the launchers without radar will do much better to offset you losing all your awareness options?
Not sure what youre writing after, but Ah64Es/z-10ME have more missiles to deal with sam systems. 16>8. Lmurs are larger and easily for the sam systems to knockout, lesser in number etc.
Winrate is alot of factors tho, sometimes germay pairs up with different nations, so you can automatically use winrate as a factor lol.
Wdym . Russia spams CAS that’s how they win matches. It’s obvious irst is going to farm most of them . Inflates the kill ratio . But ultimately lose so it doesn’t make a difference ,
Brimstones??? You mean that stuff you gotta be at 5 km distance to use? That you can only sent them at one target at a time? That’s a struggle??? With 5 pantsirs watching you?
If NATO was to actually have decent CAS I could understand your point but it’s always subpar./ Suboptimal , so no . I don’t think buk struggles in any way shape or form. For what it’s supposed to be a long range anti air missile system . It does it’s job insanely well. . If I remember it’s also the fastest missle. A 0.3 seconds of the missle tube circling around doesn’t make that much of a difference , and spawns are always open it’s not like you have stuff getting in the way.
I…Jesus. Ok. If you fire the brimstones from 5 km while 5 pantsirs are watching you then yeah. Youre 1. doing it wrong and 2 youre not the best player exactly, which is ok but still. You can launch brimstones at sub 2 km from 3rd person. Sure they are not the easiest to use. but as long as theres no pantsir / 2s38 protecting the BUK it is literally completely helpless. Same vs AH64es…Hover, multipath, notch whatever if you dont play complely lobotomized you wont get shot down by the BUK. and then you send 16 ir jdams at him that he physically cant shoot down at once and reload for 10 seconds.
thats exactly the problem. There is no point to pop up 20 km from the battlefield. Theres not a lot of nato planes that do have ordinance worthy of using it that way, then mavericks are way too slow to use them that way, even with HAMMERS or KH38s you can just pop up 5 km from the ao, or behind one of the conviniently placed mountainranges around some of the maps and dive back down before any spaa missile gets anywhere close to u. Its esesentially an spaa that excells at ranges where theres 0 targets for it.
I repeat. It has a 0.8 K/D. The claws with wich apparently tons of people are struggling has 1.15…and is 0.3 BR lower, but still used at top tier. And the CLAWS is also facing the strongest CAS in top tier. Unlike the BUK.
The CLAWS has a 44% win rate, the BUK has 52.6. Now guess which one probably gets shot more often by tanks pushing its spawn?
