Hah, you forget that you are playing WT?
You forgot that this game has different overmatch mechanics due to caliber of a gun/projectile, penetration and mass of said projectile? In this matter any 120mm NATO dart feels better at dealing with armour damage wise than any 105mm and etc. Same will happen with this. Any centre mass shot to any tank from 9.0-11.0 bracket would be fatal. And when you miss a shot with 2km/s dart with laser rangefinder, it is definitely a skill issue
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Only weird bugs and armour overlaps would save you. Definitely no to vehicles like this on such BRs. And I am really worried that people can call this vehicles balanced. T-80B has 10.3 with same amount of armour, less firepower, same mobility and only thermals as an advantage? What the fuck? @Stona_WT Is 10.0 for this thing final? It can’t just be!
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80B has more armor (ERA), better KD, better mobility (292 heavier) and thermals. So yes. 10.0 seems legit for it.
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Fog battles aren’t.
Having no smokes in 10.0 is a disadvantage, not only a drawback.
Also, ESS can only be used when your engine is operational and thermals can see right through it. It’s also on a pretty big cooldown.
It would have pretty bad armor at BR where you’d want to see it being at.
You forgot about 2.9s of faster reload speed.
Also, from what I can see it doesn’t have commander override, which is pretty standard on 10.0 tanks.
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Era gives 5 KE and T-80BV even with 30mm add on has less armour
Mobility is almost same
And you forgot about laser beam this tank has and first gen thermals isn’t as usefull as u think.
Very rare, many 9.7-10.0 has no thermals as well and sits in this bracket for years (T-72B, Leopard 2K, Rad, etc)
Really only one drawback
Ariete, Leclerc, Challenger, and many many more has no armour or less armour and sometimes without mobility to begin with and sits higher
You forgot about 2000m/s railgun this tank would have, 2.9sec reload is situational drawback you had to deal with.
And this vehicles should situational, not money grab meta maker from hell at 10.0. M1A1 sits well at 11.0 and this thing should also be 11.0 as well
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Well, technically the only important difference between the hull of T-80BV (Объект 219РВ) and T-80U (Объект 219АС) is the steel structure that holds the Kontakt 5 on the T-80U. Otherwise basically the same for our purposes. Major differences were in the turret, fire control systems (mostly about missiles) and the engine, which could technically be installed in either hull.
So this tank has a normal T-80BV hull and the T-80BV modification in game is some weird early hybrid Объект 219Р with Kontakt 1 all over it and thermals slapped on.
I feel like fog is pretty frequent nowadays, but no one knows for sure how frequent so I won’t go into this further. Having thermals is always an advantage, and I’m pretty sure more 10.0 tanks have them than not though.
Also, if you include 9.7 in the mix, we should include 10.3 as well.
If you don’t move you still might have your tank outlined in the ESS, which is also problematic.
And this is why you see so many threads talking about those vehicles being bad and stuff like that.
292 would simply be a bad vehicle at BR you’re wanting it to be at.
Dude, 2000m/s vs 1700m/s is much more situational than 2.9s of reload speed.
At those tiers, a lot can happen in those ~3 seconds.
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The 89 is very much undertiered, just few players unlock it so no one talks about it. Plus, 3BM42 isn’t 700mm pen…
M829A2 isn’t anti-ERA, that’s M829A3. A2 has a lighter sabot, larger projectile, and better propellant which all contribute to penetration. DM53 is the only shell currently in-game with an anti-ERA steel tip and it’s not modelled functionally.
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It’s broken AF but that’s what Gaijin does for event vehicles, it’ll jump by at least .7 a couple months from now. There it should be reasonably balanced.
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10.0 its totally fine to object292. skill issue copium post
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Its counterpart, the T-80BV, has thermals at 10.3. The T-72AV TURMS-T and 2S38 get gen 2, as well as the T-90A. The 2S25M of the same BR gets gen 2, as well as the BMP-2M. Did I mention the BMP-3 yet? No? Huh… What about the Shturm and Khrizantema? T-72M2? BMD-4?
There’s only 1 vehicle the '292 reloads faster than in this list… That’s the BMP-3’s ATGM, at 25 seconds or so. The HE reloads in 1.3 seconds and is capable of 1-shotting the '292, but let’s disregard that.
Pretty much, yeah. Then again, the enemy team doesn’t have 1 singular armored tank across the entire team of 10+ players.
It makes no difference if you miss or not, you still have a 10 second reload.
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I see issue there, but issue with downtiering vehicles that don’t need it. There are several more but 292 is just obvious bias towards this vehicle and event to make people worth grinding it. If tanks like ariete can be higher, and tanks like 2K can be fine at .3 lower BR, the same this vehicles would be fine on 11.0 the same as M1A1 does. We don’t need more BR compression in the game , and more overperforming vehicles lower and lower
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Nor are 3x3km maps, such as sands of sinai. On maps like that, thermals are the entire crux of top-tier gameplay.
At that point you might as well be blinding yourself, as you yourself don’t get thermals.
Lighter, thermals, reload, armor… Yeah.
Undertiered premium, undertiered premium light tank, undertiered vehicle, undertiered light tank (now that it has 3BM60), undertiered freemium light tank, light tank, tank destroyer, tank destroyer, balanced MBT (a first on this list!), light tank
Look at other tech tree MBTs.
Hell, compare this to the Arietes, they’re surprisingly similar. Lack of armour, mediocre mobility, and excellent firepower. Yet even those are 11.3, and they don’t have nearly comparable firepower!
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The only reason this won’t pen Russian vehicles is cause it won’t face them.
This lolpens T-90M more than Strv 122.
It probably should be 10.3 - 10.7; it is a first of its kind though.
@NoreZi
Pens are all at 60 degrees.
lolpen on “eh” platforms: T95E1 328mm pen 8.3.
Chieftain Mk10 384mm pen at 9.0.
Type 74E 466mm pen at 9.0
ZTZ96 536mm pen at 9.3
AMX-30B2 414mm pen at 8.7
PTZ89 510mm pen at 8.7
Yeah, the 802mm of pen of Object 292 is a lot.
It’s on a T-80B turret without smoke, using a T-80B engine, worse gun handling, heavier, its hull is 90% that of a non-ERA’d T-80U.
It’s powerful, and IMO closer to 10.7.
It however is not as out of the ordinary as one might expect.
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That’s still 30-40mm more armor, and if you hit more than 1 4S20 block, that protection goes up to 500-600mm.
We aren’t talking about almost, we’re talking about exact specification. It’s heavier with the same engine, simple as.
When did we start letting the guys with <10k matches have opinions about top-tier vehicles?
Huh, pretty much. Maybe other examples, 2K has none, Rad has none, T-72B has none, M1 has first gen, A4 has first gen
700mm of pen, 2km/s railgun, almost same speed as T-80B, armour from T-80U without K-5
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Is this KE protection Vs long rod projectile or you testing CE/short rod /plug design 3BM22 vs that plate?
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