Then why did they have this last BR change then? It’s not like a Tiger 2 couldn’t kill a T-54 “Not impossible to kill, but hard to kill” This is the same thing. Gaijin should have just change the BR spread to 0.7 instead of 1 and everything would have been fine.
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T-54 is 1: A medium tank, not a heavy tank. 2: Was impossible to kill using a Tiger 2 compared to a tiger 2 vs Maus.
BR spread of 0.7 is infinitely worse for the game, and would cause compression.
(edit) - My mistake they did.
RazerVon did not tell you to play any different tanks… You should read their comment again.
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They heavily implied so, all those tanks are a higher BR than the Centurion Mk.3. So yeah, it is a stupid comment.
Also let’s not act like the Obj. 279 was a victim at any point just because it’s a heavy tank; it’s ALWAYS been good. And with these BR changes, it’s a bit too good.
I have to disagree. I think a lot of people get used to being able to pen anywhere they aim on other vehicles with their “modern munitions” - which in many cases still can pen the object 279 anywhere but for some they have it a little more difficult.
This is where you rely on your team, or get a flanking shot on the heavy.
@Othgerius
Oh yeah, I specifically gave him British tanks as an option.
In another post to someone else I listed most 8.7 & below tanks that could easily deal with Obj 279 as well.
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Yeah, my point exactly. Im happy heavy tanks are not gonna “remain food to be played” with by those damn light gremlin tanks
Shouldn’t the Object 279 have a HEAT-FS?
Pretty sure Object 279 does not have a smooth bore gun
Even if it does, I think no one going to use it because its APCBC is just superior anywhere. I mean its frequently facing enemies with composite armor so the HEATFS is not going to perform better than the APHE.
They did. He said that Britain has other tanks than the Centurion Mk.3 implying that i should just play these other tanks instead of the that one.
Also not every tank it faces has HEAT. I cannot pen the Object 279 frontally because it has no weakspot for a 84mm APDS
I don’t have these others tanks and even if it still stupid. You want to flank a tank can go 55? with a tank that goes 34? Do you really think that will work?
To me it is almost exclusively 9.7 uptiers, even if I survive I am lucky if I get a few hundred points. This is imbalanced and unfair towards the 279, at 9.7 bracket there are quite a lot of unfair enemies like Merkava’s that cannot be engaged frontally, same with Finnish T-55. And that german DF105 is just completely busted. Object 279 has no place at the 9.0-9.7 bracket.
Edit: 9.7 atleast 3 times in a row now, just looking at an allied Merkava.
Edit 2: Enemy German T-72 in my match. Cmon, no!
Edit 3: Leopard 2k, AMX-30, AMX-32… This is not what the Object 279 ever would have encountered.
Got 1 kill and nothing else, won 11th place and got only around 2.7k RP. I can almost taste the Russian bias and OP-ness of the Object 279, absolutely.
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I guess they just really have to raise the BR to decompress everything. Also this would be fixed by putting the Centurion Mk.3 back to 7.3
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Yes, that is right. I tried clarifying to you that I had misunderstood the other guy, but i was not thorough enough :)
You know what would actually fix this. If the 279 wasn’t super buffed.
Issue one. Reload rate. They currently have it at 8.6, but it should be 12 seconds. 12 seconds was a reasonable reload rate for this in testing with a well trained crew. So it currently is over performing by 30%.
Issue two, its shells are over performing. In game they gave it 364mm of pen. The true values for the 279s shells at 1000, 2000, and 3000 meters:
0 degrees 280mm, 245mm, and 215mm.
30 degrees 240mm, 206mm, 175mm.
60 degrees 114mm, 97mm, 85mm.
As you can see, if angled the 279s real ammo struggles a lot. But again they have given it magical over performance.
Issue 3 is the armor. It uses cast armor welded together. It takes 10 - 20% thicker armor for the same performance as rolled steel. So it shouldn’t be eating shots like it does now.
I see you also mention the Mk3. Well this is where it gets worse. The L11 gun on the Mk3 and Mk5 have not been given its best ammo (shocker right). These tanks are missing its APFSDS and L15A4 plus L15A5 that its L11 gun could fire. The L15A5 outperforms the M-65 (279s gun) by a lot. At 60 degrees the Chieftan should have 76.5% better penetration. Funny enough at 0 degrees the Chieftan should have 355mm penetration (the 279 in game has 364 which it shouldn’t) so it should have the numbers the 279 is magically getting.
So the 279 is getting the performance the L11 gun should be getting, and over performing by a lot.
Another issue is its acceleration. It should only hit 30kmh at about 7 - 8 seconds on perfect level asphalt. It is accelerating way too fast in game.
Lastly for this post. They turned off spalling on the 279. Absolutely atrocious russian bias to just have it off. Here is the code from the game file:
““body_shields”: {
“armorClass”: “tank_structural_steel”,
“hp”: 1000.0,
“armorThickness”: 4.0,
“stopChanceOnDeadPart”: 0.0,
“createSecondaryShatters”: false”
If you fixed these glaring issues with it, its actually in the right place.
Reduce its shell performance to the proper stats. At least 30% reduction in penetration and abysmal angled penetration (IRL it had about 85mm pen at 60 degrees).
Reduce its reload rate to 12 seconds MAX and about 15 second stock.
Reduce its acceleration by half at least.
Fix its armor, considering its cast.
Turn spalling on for the 279. Its cast steel. Its absolutely silly this tank has spalling turned off.
And for those running the L11 gun give it the proper ammo (which would pen the 279 just fine).
Do these and its in a good BR where it sits.
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Ignoring the 279 for a sec, what documents are you using to get that?
I can remember theyre using De Marre’s modified formula to get values for Pen on Sabot shot, but if you’ve got something declassified that proves its underperforming, maybe pop a bug report in? If you can see a recent-ish Chieftain thread it might be worth putting it in there. I haven’t had any consistent issues with the round but 279 Frontal shots are a bit of a nightmare across the board. Only thing that reliably caves it in in my experience is a MILAN.
I mean I will be honest, if you’re expecting to Pen a 279 with a 84mm Centurion you’re asking for a bit much. a Centurion with the 105mm L7? Maybe less outlandish (although i’ve still had issues with that, but i havent tried it recently sooooo)
The reason it is underperforming is because they do not include the appropriate ammunition. Players are not allotted the use of the L15A4, L15A5, and APFSDS that the L11 gun the Chieftan has can fire. That is why it is underperforming. This should be a module unlock.
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You can pen the 279 with heat. It can with the right hit even one-shot it but the Centurion Mk.3 doesn’t get it. So i cannot frontally pen and a Centurion 34km/h vs. the 279’s 56km/h is not gonna help me flank it