Problem is has flawed the radars on both planes are they are still much better than the f4e radar which AFAIK is a slightly changed copy from the f4c at 10.0
if you havent noticed the f4e is not a good option compared to the mig23ml/mld…if they are removed how the the us players to fight back …if they are moved up they fight migs yaks with r27s…? am doing both events now and i can tell you its easier to play sead as ussr play pve as ussr and pvp as ussr because the sams you face are kind of lackluster…making a mode where players are in planes like ground rb is not exactly helping your case dude…i get you are a good pve player but dude come on
the reason there are fewer f4s/j in the matches is because most people playing the event at that brackets dont own them(lower level players)
I have attempted SEAD efforts in the event in a superb fashion, both with nukes and ARMs. (Air to air also figures into it of course…that’s WT.)
If SEAD efforts are viable at all (I’m not convinced of this), they are certainly not practical as-is…the SAMs easily shoot down even supersonic fighter-bombers flying at treetop level (which is obviously bogus). As for ARMs, the intended targets easily and routinely kill the ARMs aimed at them–rendering the ARMs and use of them pointless.
None of that is fun nor appealing to players. Either the balance has the to tweaked or interest in this will collapse entirely and it will fall into the dustbin of history.
The balance of the SAMs is the main sticking point I’ve read about, not the planes (though there have been some) which are meta matters.
I have not said the event should be dismissed–but it will be if its balance issues are ignored. Players will not entertain this sort of thing forever, far from it. The main appeal keeping people in it at all right now are the two event vehicles. Without those…the mode would probably be barren at the very moment.
This is a nice demonstration of a sentiment that is widely held and only growing wider:
Imbalance is liable to do far more damage to aims for a SEAD mode than taking the topic head on and solving it would…denying problems is not a strategy.
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Well last match I got around 40 of them so this is clearly not factual, you just have to do it right
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its meant to be strong, gaijin actually might of overtuned them intentionally to stop the spawncamping, which i think might end up helping with peoples perception of them when they get nerfed or fixed. games are meant to be longer and come and go as you please, its a much better game system that is less frustrating, rewards are equal now instead of being the 10 to one they were at the beginning.
for the like 3rd time, yes, which would then require usa teams to play smart and attack the hawks to open up their much better radars that require altitude. this doesn’t happen when you just hand usa teams an overpowered aircraft, which reflects in the fact usa teams were considerably worse than russian teams. yall are complaining about having to actually play the damn event.
yes ussr sead is easier, because they buffed the sams to stop usa teams rolling everyone with f15s and f4js, which has shifted the balance into specializations, if you want to ground pound play ussr, if you want to pve, play usa.
if they remove the f4j and de tune the russian sams, that with the increased rewards allowing anyone to grind how they want to, will fix the balance of the event.
gaijin has broken the balance by trying to fix it as opposed to the core issues of the event, and I am saying they need to revert those changes to make it work. The event minus overtuned sams on russia and overtuned planes on usa is balanced.
fix the core, stop trying to tack on fixes that don’t address the core issue, gaijin has already fixed that core issue and now simply need to undo the band aid fixes.
yes, and just the sams, and for the planes just the planes, people arent digging into why the balance is wrong, just that their planes are worse than the enemy. also for some reason people are having exact opposite opinions on said balance.
and can 100% guarantee you that if the event went happening at all, gaijin would have all of the sim players and the old guard with them actually trying to fix the event. that will probably happen with the 2nd coming of the event bvvd mentioned.
After launching multiple ARMs and seeing Rolands shoot them down, I know that what I said is factually correct. There’s nothing the player can do about it…their munitions are rendered useless by their targets and that’s a balance issue.
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I don’t know about russian ARMs because I haven’t tried them yet, tomorrow I’ll have to play Soviets again for the 5th star so I’ll tell my experience with them
im 20m above the ground and these rolands still hitting you cant escape them go try the game mode
who has benefited from the changes then…using your statement right here
as i stated earlier you cant ground pound as us player as effectively unless you have nukes…it would have made sense if they didnt increase the sp for nukes…but they also increased it while nerfing the amount of sp you can get for plane tuned for “pvp” using your logic
What this mode needs is one majorly important change: Nerf the AA by a lot. Almost all the air to ground ordonnance gets intercepted without issue. trying to use CAS effectively is extremely hard. the AA shoots down everything, and will kill you extremely easily.
The mode is fun, the rewards are good, but the AA is pain. every person playing the event is complaining about it.
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What do you mean better at altitude the mig23 and f4e radars are pretty much identical at altitude
A single chaff and its gone
rolands are easier than osas lmao what.
from the sides being specified? no one, which is why I’m saying change it. who has benefited from them being equal and balanced? everyone, which is why I’m saying change it.
they had to increase the nuke costs because they increased pve rewards, which helps pve players get nukes, that change is good and addresses the core problem with the event and war thunder, gaijin understands that. they made pvp and pve equal in terms of rewards over time (i think thats the metric they go for) and they didn’t do that day one because of the nukes. This is a change we very much need to keep and change other things around making it work. I think gaijin has forced that specialization on each nation, keeping in mind that this happened before the reward changes, in order to make the teams more balanced. they need to undo those changes so that the reward changes take more effect.
I’m simply saying people are thinking about the issue in the wrong way, much of the discussion of balance is about peoples own vehicles and the experience they are having in them, and not about what is causing those issues and implications of changing them.
we need to stop thinking about balance like its air rb, and instead like its a fledgling gamemode that has core issues to address and fix. gaijin has never ever given us this much say over the game, we need to not waste that voice on dumb things like ‘the mig23mld is too good nerf it’
revert them to day one, and theyre good.
that’s not how radar missiles work, the missile itself is pd and only requires the highest radar return, hence why you need to notch and chaff, actually locking the target and firing before they chaff is what matters and the f4 has a much easier time than the mig at that.
Oh it’s not worth using. It’s slow, and it’s best guided ordinance is either too slow, or will get shot down. Better off air to air, or trying to use the ARM’s.
Indeed if it still had the litenting pod I would consider it but only having sniper hell no
You know that you can rearm your nukes without using SP’s if you land back at base 😉 ?
Are you using CCRP?
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the gbu24s are lackluster in the event but im eating my words rn about the early a-10, that pod + laser bombs and mavs makes a huge difference
Oh yeah I know this one and I do use CCRP, for some reason I just can’t land right when I’m coming back from nuking and end up hitting the trees, this or I get killed by my own blast because I got a little bit too confident
I hate sniper targeting pod (so thank you snail for having it has only option on most us top tier planes
Were is the salt? )
Its fov is awful and I cant figure out how to increase the aiming speed
Its like aming a sniper rifle while doing a house fight
middle mouse click on the map to instantly slew it, if youre trying to just use it from the cam yeah its awful, but the somewhat new mark spi on map makes it super good
Yes, the F-4E carries both small and medium nuke. Have to change loadout once you get enough spawn points.
It has the “same” medium 30kt as the Su-24. Will take out a forward airbase in one shot.