Nuclear Thunder!

cause you said the best option was to remove the F4J/S even the MIG-23MLD is way better than a regular ML if you remove americas best model you should also remove russias

instead just add the ML as the standard vehicle as that would be fair against the F4E

Balance is a surface level issue? How so? “Key” is more like it.

If the balancing of ___ is off–especially badly off–then the popularity of ____ craters. If its popularity craters, so does interest in ___ or a mode that was fashioned around ____.

Balancing SAMs is an absolutely crucial issue if you want something like an SEAD mode to come along. As it stands, interest in an SEAD mode is likely waning (at best) as players get tired of not being able to practically do SEAD (AI SAMs slaughter them so easily and even annihilate ARMs fired at the SAMs (utterly common)) as well as getting tired of not being able to engage other players as well (because the AI kills them).

Anyone who dismisses the significance of balance in game development is singing the death knell for their given project (in this case a SEAD mode) and its hopes. You’d best reconsider, fast.

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you should not because the usa teams just have to attack the buk telar to regain their advantage, that is my entire point you have missed. it should be up to the players to create ways to come up with their losses, and not cry to gaijin to change the game so they don’t have any.

SEAD is completely possible, you just have to do it right

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So i’m meant to do a 180 and distract their missiles rather than get into cover?

the SPAA of russia side is same as the american we just have hawks instead the BUK is just as good

and even if the spaa is bad just buff the AA instead of making unfair teams

Yes, if you get in cover they’ll turn their radar off because they can’t see you anymore or focus on the missile

the balance of this gamemode doesnt matter because for one that balance everyone is talking about is just the balance of a few planes as they are in air rb. and for 2 because me and plenty others are having no issues attacking sams. you are saying we should dismiss this event because the community is shit at sead and i think that is very dumb considering what we stand to gain

eh, my experience is that they’ll track me trough cover and hit me :D

they do i have video proof

Doesn’t have to be a 180, can be a 90 deg turn. If they stop tracking you, they’ll engage your ARM instead.

SEAD can actually be made harder by teammates doing things wrong. If they fire ARM’s early, or catch the AA’s attention and die before your arm hits, the ARM might lose lock or get shot down.

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i’ll give it a shot, A-6E or A-7E best for this?

i found a7e, you get the missiles and retain energy better to dodge with

Mig23 radar
All aspect lock down mti mode
Only works below 1200 meters radar alt

F4j/s radar
Front aspect only PD radar works at all altitudes and luck up
Has hmd

So both radars are good but not amazing

A-7E, run 4x HARM +2x walleye loadout and just dump the walleyes on takeoff, they’re dead weight

to make air rb into ground rb is better for the mode called air rb…and i like getting enough kills to now be able to do missions against patriot and s300 batteries…but if all you get is a f4e with a barely functional radar…9ls that are basically flares…and your argument for f4s/j having a pd radar when the free mig has mti that functions the same way as pd and is all aspect i unfair has all aspect ir missiles (r60ms and r24t) while f4s/j get only rear aspect is bs…what the new mode is rn is like ground rb that even less rewardings…

I’m all for incentivizing tactical play and promoting shooting down enemy AA. However it feels like they failed to do this in a fun way.

First off, the spawns being moved back creates more dead time for no good reason. It makes deaths much more punishing. This is especially a problem when dying to AA because it feels like you’ve spent a lot of time and accomplished nothing, whereas previously even dying to AA wasn’t that frustrating because getting back into the fight was quicker. Slower (non-meta) attackers are even less viable.

Secondly, changing the kill scores makes sense within the game mode, but it makes the event much more difficult. The event score requirement should be reduced accordingly if the score gets slashed. People were having difficulties before and now it’s straight up impossible to earn enough points for many players. The event should be grindable even for less cracked players.

Third of all, nukes being more expensive makes little sense if we want to promote strategic bombing. Now you need to haul ass to get nukes and it’s way more frustrating getting shot down in one. For those who can’t easily snowball nukes and have difficulties getting kills imagine how soul crushing this now feels. They have even less agency.

The gamemode is more frustrating and time consuming for everyone. There is a way to make the PvE aspect of this game enjoyable and accessible but this ain’t it.

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the f4j has twice the effective range and can lock without boresight, the only thing lacking are the missiles themselves, the mig23 has to point the entire plane at the ground in order to not lose a missile with a single chaff. one is absolutely better lol.

which is why the just buffed the rewards to make it so that anyone actually half decent at sead able to top score with pve.

all gaijin needs to do is fix the russian sams overpreforming and remove the f4j and s from the bottom bracket so everyone is on equal footing and suddenly this event works.

ai ainti air is insanely overpowered now, games are longer, rewards are less

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The OSAs respawn every 12 minutes. Convoys continually filter out into the middle of the map and fill every angle with SAMs that ignore clouds, trees, fire around terrain, and are virtually un-dodgeable. The SAMs have to reload now, but that’s a brief downtime to reload 6 missiles from a bottomless supply. So long as AA respawns within 1-2 sorties and can fire unlimited missiles, SEAD is dumb. Hitting long range SAMs is great and I do it as much as possible, but the shorter range SAMs are stupid.

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