Yeah, weird how equipment is more effective at the ranges it’s designed to operate at 🙄
The AGM88 is a chubby AIM7; the Kh31s is a miniaturised anti-ship missile. They have different designs and philosophies and should be used accordingly.
I still don’t understand why you mention it in reply to me saying that ALARMs do not perform realistically because SPAA/SAM are omniscient.
Also gbu39 just wipes out any static SAM, i consistently take out 3 pantsir/2s6 with 8 gbu on the f16 meanwhile ITO intercept all 6 kh38 easily, maybe 20-30% of the times one goes trough. As of now NATO without BUK would wipe out the whole frontline once the gbu39 meta is discovered. BUK need to be less oppressive to make this dynamic olay out, russians putting oressure on long range radars (wich need to be much better protected against kh31) and NATO could wipe out the frontline SACLOS aa by agm88 + gbu39/spice/gbu53.
I don’t know how you’ve got so lucky, I can’t hit a single Pantsir with even AASMs - it’s as if there’s something buggy with how all engagement logic works.
Firing at airports is the kh31 niche, so i took the miment to say what a balanced DEAD gameplay would look like, i do not have experience with ALARM so i don’t know if it fits my view
hope moscu had the 2s6 like in game xD
Yes, that’s the reason I’m pushing back against it - it’s fitted flawed logic based on an incomplete understanding of the systems in play.
Like I said, most of the systems in this mode are being treated like peers when they are not - they are unique tools with specific uses. Trying to balance them as if they were peers is doomed to fail.
gaijin put ultra doper realistic spaa in russia side… oh wait the game is russian so balance will be for russia xD
Put the point of interest at the depot before taking off, at circa 30km look at it at the most altitude you can muster before cloud cover, you will see the 3 sams guarding it, put a gps point on each, depending on the distance you manage to do that go back on the deck (to avoid the BUK-cake) or launch strigh away, use the salvo fire and use at least 8 gbu39 for 3 sams. They will kill the 3 sams with 1-2 gbu39 destroyed before reaching. Sometimes a single one wil remain.
Another tactic is to fire the gbu like i sad before and use the F16 esm, with it you can see when the 2s6/pantsir start using theyr radar and launch a agm88 to one of them (at least 2 for each) to do that you need to wait that the gbu start getting engaged by the sams, so it is more risky for the buk-cake.
Obviusly the buk is broken and doing this you will die mostly from the buk, but most of the time at least you can fire off the gbu39 and get the kills
Letting the agm88 shine against the frontline AA is not a bad idea tho?
I think maybe you’re missing the point - even if the Buk was as good as it is in game (unlikely, but even so), pretending that the SAMPT is a NATO equivalent is just not going to cut it.
My mistake, I didn’t make it clear, I was being facetious.
I know “how”, it’s just not a useful point of orientation for have balance and mode construction.
Buk and sampt should be removed and replaced with s300 and patriot, move the sampt and buk to guard airfields and engaged planes inside 10 km and munitions inside 15 km
The spyder is such an easy target for kh31 it’s comical. At least with SAMPT i need at least 3-4 kh31 and some luck
The only reason for this tactic to not be broken is the buk being OP
It would be nice, yes, but it would not fix the issues.
Better ideas that would not require manually messing with individual missiles (and creating a new “meta”):
It wouldn’t be broken though? You still have to get in range and deploy the weapons, they can still be shot down and there’s plenty of GPS bombs in the Russian tree to use the same tactic with? You’re also ignoring all the moving targets that GPS bombs are useless against. Not to mention the balancing nightmare that comes from that sort of “xyz is broken” mentality.
Weapon systems are not broken in isolation. As a certified LMUR hater, I refuse to call it broken because if Gaijin changed a few other factors, it would be interesting to play against.
Also the “just swap them w S300 and Patriot” take is awful - you’re just making the problem worse by adding more layers to the cake instead of cooking it right.
S300 and Patriot are also not peers and would have their own busted issues.
Any other tactic is not as effective, with the russians you can only use the fab300 and take out a single target, kh38 get intercepted 80% of the time.NATO teams palrwady can deal with frontline depots easily russians not so much
This is a worse mode than regular Air RB now. Redfor absolutely steamrolls every game and kills the pathetic bluefor airbase SPAA in 8 minutes tops. Then it’s just runway camping and helpless attempts at BVR from bluefor until the game is over. SEAD doesn’t work, DEAD doesn’t work, and Air Combat is the worst it’s ever been.
Bravo.
Obviusly my biggest point is that they need to fire only after an enemy is higher than a set altitude, the real issue RN is the BUK and SAMPT firing at everything, AND the sampt being shit.
S300 and patriot in the constest on distance of NT are basically the same thing, depending on the variant have nearly the same stats and guidance modes
Again, this would be fixed by having appropriate AA response times and having them not be omniscient. Not by adding more long range SAMs.