Nuclear Escalation - Development update from BVV_d

[_AngelicDragon]

@BVV_d

These will likely be fourth-generation strike fighter variants equipped with free-fall nuclear bombs

There’s a slight issue with certain tech trees (mainly Sweden) if this is the case.

The Viggen, nor the Gripen, are capable of carrying nuclear weaponry.

The only aircraft that would be remotely capable of carrying nuclear weaponry in the Swedish TT would be the Norwegian/Danish F-16s, and let’s be honest, nobody really wants top tier nuke aircraft to only be the F-15E, F-16 and Su-30.

[VFA-31]

Agreed, I would love to control something like a USS Ticonderoga or USS Arleigh Burke. Not only only would it be fun to provide support to the planes by striking sams with missile like tomahawk, but u can also be a major factor in air defense, and sink ships with Harpoons

[TwinkOnYourSix]

lets hope this isnt just a bunch of empty promises like usual

[Fireraid233]

Yeah I feel like that’s what he was implying I don’t see how ww2 ships would work in this mode they would be easy prey to guided weapons and not impact the land battle much. But moderns ships can.

And modern ships opens the door to maritime patrol planes in nuclear escalation too so I hope they do that

[WreckingAres283]

This is great News, I hope there are also plans for dedicated EW Aircraft. :D

[CamVPro]

I think an Asymmetric game mode could work, but not in the way you’ve done it. You’d need to make it more like Battlefield Rush, where 1 side is defending with unlimited spawns and the other is just attacking with a ticket counter

Nuclear thunder right now just isn’t fun imo. Lot of fixes needed

[Bonrath]

True.
If they upped the rewards just a tiny bit as well I think the world wouldn’t come to an end either.

[VFA-31]

Facts, EA-18G would be a beast in this mode

[_AngelicDragon]

@BVV_d

Developing the mode for earlier eras of aviation (the 1960s and 1970s).

This would be an amazing time to also introduce new rewards for the event, such as the Xi’an H-6 and Avro Vulcan (alternatively the B-47 and Tu-16 or F-102 and Su-15).

[Macron-Spokesman]

Please do these two things:

• Allow planes that has ESM feature from their RWR to use ESM with and without ARMs. This would allow aircraft that cannot mount any ARMs to still utilize ESM such as the Rafale and Gripen E.
• Explore solutions for other aircraft to engage in various activities for this mode, the Rafale can’t do anti-ship missions on nuclear thunder because it still does not have Exocet for anti-ship while US and RU planes do have their anti-ship missiles.

[Sebbo_the_Plebbo]

@BVV_d

The Reds’ anti-radiation missiles make it easier to penetrate the Blues’ air defences, and in addition, the Reds’ air defences are more effective in Escalation than the Blues’

Maybe if you gave Britain a single ALARM carrier within the BR bracket for the game mode this might not be such a glaring issue?

I don’t see how this is surprising when the ARM loadouts of certain nations have been absolutely massively and ahistorically restricted

[Nostalgistic]

@VFA-31

USS Ticonderoga or USS Arleigh Burke.

Did someone say those ships?

Say no more.

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Very exciting to see the dynamics of player-controlled warships in this mode, eventually.

[cobra73]

@BVV_d

That’s all I have for you, thank you for your attention!

Give everyone the opportunity to play this mode. Free plane for every week. Switching nations.

[ILuvAnneHathaway]

@BVV_d

• Each SAMP/T SAM site now contains two TADS and four launchers.
• Each SAMP/T SAM site is covered by an additional Ito90 SAM.

Issues are more in its kinematics, the thing is not even a threat.

[TD_SEB]

I second this

[TwinkOnYourSix]

@Macron-Spokesman

Allow planes that has ESM feature from their RWR to use ESM with and without ARMs. This would allow aircraft that cannot mount any ARMs to still utilize ESM such as the Rafale and Gripen E.

that would be nice but many aircraft use the missile as the sensor so they dont have that capability without the missile installed

[Master_Teaz]

Are there any plans to add any radio-emitting targets into Air RB?

Currently the Airfield ITO’s and other SPAAs search emmit in bands not visible but to a limited number of AGMs, and they don’t use their search radars

Is there plans to make them always use search radar? or to add more sites? such as early warning radars that could be locked onto (or even making the static radars (non SPAA) on the airfields emit

[Macron-Spokesman]

@TwinkOnYourSix

but many aircraft use the missile as the sensor so they dont have that capability without the missile installed

Yes, that’s fine too if they lose that capability without the missile installed if they didn’t have that feature IRL from their RWR.

[Smugspite]

first things first, its great to have an actual dialogue and get reasons for why somethings are the way that they are, I pray that this continues in the future as it helps alleviate some of the issues people have

My biggest complaint is the economy outside of the mode being fun the rewards are just awful after spending an hour and half and ending at the top of the score board, with no premium or talismans I barely earned 7k RP and lost 100k SL I pray that gets better

Please just dont make the mode mixed battles they get boring quickly the asymmetrical battles are really interesting, I do think there needs to be benefits as you mentioned soviet SPAA is better in both SHORAD and long range so giving BLUEFOR more SPAA makes sense, you could also try dabbling with giving BLUEFOR other benefits like better artillery so REDFOR has to focuses it down more

Interms of new additions i would like to see first please for the love of god this

I know its stated for longer term development, but having cold war DDGs and CG being playable with land attack munitions would be so peak, it would also open the door for new targets like ASM sites

[kedrigern]

@BVV_d

We’d also like to point out that we don’t want to significantly nerf the air defences overall, as this could devalue teamwork in suppressing air defence groups and make the mode much less distinct from Air Realistic Battles with respawns. Currently, air defences are a prominent force that can change the course of a battle, and their destruction is a core objective that simplifies the game for your team. Our goal is to ensure that both teams are required to make equal efforts to achieve this objective.

and also:

@BVV_d

First, I’d like to thank everyone for their attention to the mode and constructive feedback; it’s important to us.

biggest feedback was that the air defense especially frontline one is too oppressive. So why in gods name do you refuse to nerf the AI SPAAs while claiming constructive criticism.
Changes to BUKs are barely going to matter. Its one of the fastest missiles in the entire game and the AI spams it. But its far less of a problem to deal with than the constant 2S6 and S1 frontline that just intercepts everything.

Infact it was so stupid that 2S6s were intercepting TOW2 missiles.
So what feedback are you listening to?

@BVV_d

Use of helicopters in this mode

I genuinely feel sorry for any poor sod that decides to bring a helicopter into this. A fire on the move 2S6 munitions deathzone intercepting everything thrown at it.

@BVV_d

Player-controlled ships and air defence systems (in the longer term)

Dont think anyone would enjoy playing an SPAA in this mode. Especially with so much clutter from just enemy SPAA missiles. Boats sounds interesting.