Perfectly fine for some does not mean perfectly fine for many.
you dont get it. gaijin is evil and balances things based off of “sense” and “logic” and “balance”. what they should do is what I think is best and what my gut feeling says
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This is why Gaijin takes averaged out stats.
There always the tanks that don’t deserve to sit at the same BR with other despite being completely worse compared to other want example?
CV9040C VS 2S38
Actually I think you will find you perform better in the TT M1 Abrams (1.18) compared to the TT 2A4 (0.89).
You also perform better in the Prem M1 (1.4) compared to the Prem 2A4 (1.3).
If you want to base it off of kills per battle instead of kills per death the gap widens even further.
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The cv does get spall liners and better mobility tbh
I don’t see it’s gen1 thermal as a con, considering most 10.7 MBTs have that as well. Main cons are the lack of blowout panels and subpar armor.
Ariete (P) already has DM33 which is a pretty big upgrade over DM23, that round is better than 3BM42 and L26.
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Again, that’s because of aforementioned use of M1s as back-ups in 11.3 against light tanks and SPAAs after enemy has expended main battle tanks.
And do you see me asking for 2S38 buffs ?
No, because I know it’s already a pretty good vehicle for it’s BR and doesn’t need any help. Same goes for M1.
All we can discern from this image is that you have placed the M1 within a line-up to take a screenshot, and that your M1s have superior statistics despite being allegedly brought into significant uptiers.
Thank you for strengthening our arguments.
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“All we can discern”
No.
You can take my word. There’s the difference between someone who holds integrity versus someone looking for loopholes.
Also, sorry to make it oh so clear to you that I’m comparing apples to apples, at the 10.7 region. And again:
metrics are also situational, and I’ve already brought up how the M833 would not be OP, but you argue that for no reason other than you don’t see a need for it.
Or, barring that, you think it would make it too good a tank and it would go up in BRs.
Neither of these statements holds water.
Either it becomes MASSIVELY OP with M833 (which I highly doubt), then it can be moved up to 11.0, as you worry.
Or, it’ll lighten the load for players of the M1. Which is my goal.
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You can take my word
No we can’t. You have intentionally lied many times throughout this thread and have been disingenuous repeatedly. Even if you hadn’t already been acting like this it would still be unreliable.
Also, sorry to make it oh so clear to you that I’m comparing apples to apples, at the 10.7 region. And again:
The data we have indicates that the M1 is performing the best out of the three main nations that see the most play.
metrics are also situational, and I’ve already brought up how the M833 would not be OP, but you argue that for no reason other than you don’t see a need for it.
Yes we do not agree that tanks should receive unnecessary buffs when they are already performing well. Gaijin evidently agrees since they have stipulated in bug reports on this matter that shell selection is a tool of balance and M833 would be added if the developers saw a need to do so. It has to this date, not been added. I suspect it will not be added in the near future either given the statistics we have available.
Or, barring that, you think it would make it too good a tank and it would go up in BRs.
There have been people who enjoy the tank who have expressed that they do not wish it to receive unnecessary buffs as they do not want it to quite likely move up in BR if it does, yes. I find this a very reasonable argument given that 10.7 US has a few vehicles to build a line-up around instead of being moved up to 11.0 which can see 12.0.
Neither of these statements holds water.
In your subjective opinion.
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Please keep it respectful and avoid any sort of profanities, censored ones are also not permitted.
If you guys have a personal issue keep it private and avoid derailing public threads.
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It doesn’t matter whether you disagree with someone, you will always have to respect each other.
Be agreeable, even when you disagree.
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The XM-1 is also 9.3, not 10.7… You aren’t fighting tanks like the T-90A or MBT-2000 or Leopard 2A4M/PLs, which are pretty common in the M1.
Well, having watched your recent gameplay, I’m sure watching you try to argue how strong the M1 is in a 1v1 is going to be entertaining for how long it’ll take you to spade it.
Well good thing the armor analysis isn’t! Funny how the M774 will hit a T-series track from the top at an angle, gets redirected and surprise surprise, can’t pen the side of the tank! Guess what round DOESN’T do that? M833. Even 3BM4, the Russian 8.7 APFSDS, goes right through the track, both at the same angle that eats M774 and even across the track, just fine and has worse stats than the M774…
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But you are fighting T-72A, T-72B, etc. and for M735 they’re just as hard to penetrate as T-90A is for M774.
Tracks and wheel sprockets will occasionally bounce rounds, doesn’t matter if it’s M774 or not. In most cases M774 and other darts will easily go through the entire track and penetrate the tank, like in this example.
That dart is more than fine, you’re just trying to portray it as some unusable garbage.
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The XM-1 is also 9.3, not 10.7… You aren’t fighting tanks like the T-90A or MBT-2000 or Leopard 2A4M/PLs, which are pretty common in the M1.
And? It’s the same weakspots you need to aim for essentially and you’re once again talking about uptiers where tanks will naturally be harder to kill.
Well, having watched your recent gameplay, I’m sure watching you try to argue how strong the M1 is in a 1v1 is going to be entertaining for how long it’ll take you to spade it.
I’ve got no idea where you’re going with this. I’ve been spading the XM803 recently and I’m getting about a module or near a module per battle. I would imagine it has taken you even longer than it will take me given you’ve averaged 0.6 kills per battle in it, whereas I’m averaging 2 kills per battle in it right now.
Well good thing the armor analysis isn’t! Funny how the M774 will hit a T-series track from the top at an angle, gets redirected and surprise surprise, can’t pen the side of the tank! Guess what round DOESN’T do that? M833. Even 3BM4, the Russian 8.7 APFSDS, goes right through the track, both at the same angle that eats M774 and even across the track, just fine and has worse stats than the M774…
Absolutely untrue, every shell can and does get gaijin’d. Stop pretending as if only M774 suffers from this because it simply is not true.
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