Would be nice if Gaijin would bring back shell shatter, which is the whole reason NATO tanks are sloped the way they are. We’ll have to wait and see.
The ironic part is that the M1 being limited to M774 isn’t balanced but he wouldn’t know that as he hasn’t ran the US tech tree in who knows how long and Casino_Knight had a literal 0 games played in it.
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It exists for APDS, so it can’t be that hard to modify it for APFSDS.
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They had it and it apparently didn’t perform how Gaijin wanted it… we both know what that means XD
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Oh that’s cool, now turn the turret slightly and see what happens or how about compare their round v the M1… oh wait, the entire front of the M1 can be shot clean through
We’ve been over this already. The same can be said for basically all western MBTs except for the challenger because it trades mobility for turret armour and as a matter of fact the M1 has superior armour relative to the 2A4 at that range. As has been covered many times already, russian tanks in general have superior forward protection in exchange for the numerous other detriments their vehicles possess.
Also entirely unrelated to what I was responding to which was dinfire claiming that other vehicles at the BR didn’t need to aim for weakspots at long range and only the M1 had to do this which is objectively untrue.
This has already been highlighted to you by myself and others in this thread multiple times. As you do not seem to wish to accept simple realities I urge you to submit a bug report so that you can receive a direct answer. That way this circular argument can end.
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The ironic part is that the M1 being limited to M774 isn’t balanced but he wouldn’t know that as he hasn’t ran the US tech tree in who knows how long and Casino_Knight had a literal 0 games played in it.
It’s incredibly funny watching you try to dismiss motorolas experience, even though nothing has really changed for the M1 since he has last played it. The same way you and dinfire try to dismiss anyone who has played the vehicle and disagrees with you, because you don’t care whether or not they’ve played the vehicle. You only care that they disagree with you or not.
However as the facts stand the statistics do not agree with you, and no matter how hard you try to handwave them they are not going to change by your whim. To this end, I am content.
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My M1 experience is valid to this day because nothing really changed. I’ve seen same enemies as you do now, so if I could kill them without a problem you can as well, but that’s only up to you do achieve.
Any tank will be at a disadvantage when going into 1v2 situations, your point ?
That teammate will still have to aim if he wants to disable you, unless he wants to kill your driver + engine or have his shell eaten by external fuel tanks if shot in LFP. If shot in the UFP his shell will bounce.
Yes it is, M1 is limited to M774 for a long, long time now which suggests it’s perfectly balanced at it’s BR, because otherwise it would receive a better shell, just like many other tanks before. As I said above, my M1 experience is still perfectly valid, M774 hasn’t changed and M1’s enemies haven’t changed, so end result isn’t going to change, because you know, none of the variables changed.
It’s contemporaries will die in the same way now as they did a year ago, I’m sure you’re aware of this, so you trying to dismiss my arguments by doing what you’re doing is a really cheap move, which can be seen through easily.
This is like talking to a brick wall.
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“When M1 is limited to M774, it’s not balanced”
It’s been limited to M774 for how many years now, I think like six or seven, and it has consistently been performing fine with just that round (note; back in the day it was actually weaker, and yet it was still more than enough). Acting like it’s “underperforming” in the present, when nothing has changed about it or what it faces is just, uh, disingenous?
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Did M1 ever fire M774 ? Yes or no ?
If the answer is yes, this game is still realistic while being balanced at the same time. This combination is hard to beat.
Also, by using some common sense you could realize balance is a staple of all PvP games, so writing that you have a balanced game will look funny. On the other hand, writing that you have a realistic game is a valid thing to do, because you can have games of the same genre that are arcades or realistic/simulators.
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Most of their arguments end up with: “B-b-but what about full uptiers ?”
I think it would be better to spend their time fighting for BR decompression at top tier, rather than trying to buff a perfectly fine vehicle.
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They have buffed the performance of the 774 over this time. So much so that it is almost the same as 833. It is only a 20mm difference. Which is why i don’t see an issue with 833 being added. It is already on tanks at lower BRs and 774 is almost at the same pen.
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I take it you won’t mind if every other shell at the BR gets 20mm of pen added to them too? Since it’s so small it’s not really going to make a difference. We can drop their reloads too while we’re at it since that apparently doesn’t matter.
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Let’s all have identical tanks which have same values for each and every metric, just with a different skin applied to them.
I bet some people would still think their vehicle is suffering.
@arsenal119
Then T-series tanks could argue all of them need 6.5s reload speed instead of 7.1s, since 0.6s isn’t that big of a deal, or is it ?
Giving handouts to vehicles that don’t need them will leave a sour taste in mouths of other, less fortunate tanks.
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Ok ? Sure. We do not mind that.
if it was to correct round penetration and reload rate according to proper source. And of course not breaking any balance.
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if it was to correct round penetration and reload rate according to proper source.
Missing the point and unrelated. Reload rate is a balancing metric that does not necessarily reflect real world values and shells are added or removed also as a balancing feature. The point of asking if you are okay with everything getting +20mm penetration is because I commonly see US mains saying it’s “such a small difference it’s meaningless”. If that is true then there should be no problem with all vehicles at the BR getting the same buff since it “doesn’t really make a difference”.
And of course not breaking any balance.
Incidentally the reason why M833 isn’t getting added.
Personally I just want the biggest advocates of M833 to hurry up and submit a bug report so it can get shot down with the same reasoning that has been cited multiple times throughout this thread already.
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Because with M833 added. It wouldn’t mess with Balance whatsoever ? Abrams+M833 would still have the same effectiveness with current M774 even after M774 get fix. We keep telling you that since the beginning.
That is the point of this round.
This again
Ok let ask the same question
Why that would be the case then ?
Because
So ?
More like a suggestion. Maybe a vote system would work to see how many support or go against or whatever
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Because with M833 added. It wouldn’t mess with Balance whatsoever ? Abrams+M833 would still have the same effectiveness with current M774 even after M774 get fix. We keep telling you that since the beginning.
That is the point of this round.
Says who? This is your subjective opinion. The fact that it has not been added by gaijin when they stipulate that available shells are a tool of balance indicates that it is currently performing within expectations and they do not see any requirement to add it.
This again
Ok let ask the same question
Why that would be the case then ?
Because
So if your entire argument is that it should receive the shell because it wouldn’t make any difference, then there is no point in adding it. Evidently gaijin do not agree with you on this though as they have not added it and believe that it will have an effect on the vehicle balance. If they didn’t then they would add it since it would not be remotely difficult to do, likely a matter of seconds to change.
More like a suggestion. Maybe a vote system would work to see how many support or go against or whatever
So if you know that a bug report is going get shot down, and you bring up a suggestion. What are you waiting for?
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More like a fact. Since i don’t see any reasons that would suggest otherwise being bring up yet.
Beside Gaijin isn’t alway right. That is also the fact. (Add Pantsir S1 because their stat show 2S6 bad, adding powercreep top-tier, selling top-tier premuim without balancing match-maker, No BR decompression, etc)
The point has already been state many time now. That M774 should get fix and M833 should replace it. So M1 Abrams retain its current effectiveness.
That just Gaijin being Gaijin As i said above. Even if they don’t act on somethings doesn’t mean it already is ok. (for example take years to fix some bug report that might take them like a moment to change number in their code)
Knowing that ? what make you implied i said that ? All i said was that request to add M833 would be more like suggestion ranther than bug report. Thus gather the vote would be more appropriate.
Also This isn’t my topic. If you want to vote ask Dinfire
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Yes as I said your personal subjective opinion.
The point has already been state many time now. That M774 should get fix and M833 should replace it. So M1 Abrams retain its current effectiveness.
Retain it’s current effectiveness according to you. Gaijin not adding M833 would indicate otherwise.
That just Gaijin being Gaijin As i said above. Even if they don’t act on somethings doesn’t mean it already is ok. (for example take years to fix some bug report that might take them like a moment to change number in their code)
Headcanon. I find it very unlikely that gaijin would not implement a change which would take seconds when they repeatedly get spammed with the same requests and bug reports if they didn’t think it would make a difference and would stop it. As it stands gaijin have rejected all of this and stipulated that shell selection is a balance decision. Take a hint.
Knowing that ? what make you implied i said that ? All i said was that request to add M833 would be more like suggestion ranther than bug report. Thus gather the vote would be more appropriate.
Also This isn’t my topic. If you want to vote ask Dinfire
Oh I thought you were going to do something for a second, nothing stopping you afterall. My mistake.
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Welp I still don’t see any reason why M833 would break balance.
Again Gaijin isn’t indicator what is right. This have been proven.
As Necron31467 said when M774 got fix. it is fair for M1 Abrams to get M833.
Nah there a mutiple bug report. For example M1A2 turret side armor
Leopard 2A7 hull armor , etc
There are a lot more. Bug report waiting to be implement
It ok. Misunderstanding can occur.
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