Now With the M1 being Brought to 10.7, Can We Finally Receive M833?

“Why do America mains have such a bad reputation in game and on the forum?”

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" Why do Ivan Mains have such a bad reputation in-game and on the forum? "

Be mindful not to go casting stones from a glass house.

  1. Not much got moved up, thus the old 10.3 got compressed to hell into 11.0-11.7. Not ideal, especially less so for tanks like the M1 that have serious flaws that should’ve been rectified ages ago.

  2. There’s a difference between having genuine flaws and artificial flaws created by sheer incompetence. Gaijin needs to correct their incompetence and model the Abrams correctly both inside and out. Same applies for other tanks, naturally.

  3. Tell that to some of these CC’s and the one squad of dudes that literally got the German Sabre uptiered way back. It’s not as simple as you point it out to be.

  4. Artificial nerfs based on incompetence are not cons, nor is it perfectly fine.

I’m not a Russian main, and never have been. Only started playing Russia after I reached top tier in Britain, and then quickly moved on to other nations.

Stop projecting this hard lmao

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It’s not projection but if the shoe fits, I won’t stop you from lacing it up.

Talking trash goes both ways, after all.

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You’ll struggle to pen it regardless. This is why you have other advantages that will help you mitigate this.

That’s not a problem.
First of all, those are vehicles higher in BR so they should be objectively better.
Second of all, as I said above, you have other advantages that you can exploit, but it’s on you if you can/want. Vehicles you mentioned have to deal with their cons as well.

M1 is in the same relative position to everything else at and above it’s BR for months and years now. So yeah, I had to fight T-90A with it but guess what, it’s just another T-series tank and if you know how to defeat one, you’ll know how to defeat others.

It’s always the easiest to blame others for something that’s entirely on you.

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29 vehicles moved from 11.7 to 12.0, so you’re seeing most of the old stuff anyways.

Artificial flaws like limiting reload speed and shells used are not a bad thing if they help keep the vehicle in question balanced.
I can only talk for vehicles as they are in the game currently, so M1 with all it’s flaws still is a perfectly fine 10.7 MBT.

I’m sure KVT and other 10.7 premiums alongside regular TT M1/2A4/80B are played more than enough to not be susceptible to this.

Yes it is as long vehicle is balanced at it’s BR, which M1 is.

This whole thread is about asking for M1’s round to be buffed and we all know Gaijin likes to add/remove shells for balancing purposes. So yeah, M1 will get a better shell if it’s needed.

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Except missing ammo types shouldn’t be a thing just like the Chinese t-34-85 gai should sit higher slightly than the russian one because of the dshk and it should get the type 56 APCBC but it only gets the AP and APBC to keep the pen the same as the Russian one

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  1. Wasn’t enough change to prevent compression. All it did was move it away from 9.0-9.3. Half-baked measure but as we know that’s Gaijin’s MO much of the time.

  2. I fundamentally disagree. If Gaijin is just going to keep gimping basically everything it denigrates the point of the BR system in the first place. Model things properly. Integrate armaments properly. Adjust BR placement as necessary. It’s really not that hard.

  3. Gaijin simply needs to stop changing BR placement based on " efficiency" and strictly on vehicle capabilities. The German Sabre uptiering incident was supposed to prove a point to Gaijin and to nobody’s surprise it went right over their heads. Even to this day I still believe it to be malicious incompetence.

  4. Again, fundamentally disagree. Do right by the vehicle and place it in an according BR. To half-bake the vehicle is a disservice and disgraceful behavior. If information is limited that’s where things are understandable but the problem with that is they pick and choose on a spectrum of how to do things, which boils down to malicious incompetence.

Rounding back to M833, it should’ve already been given it. Gaijin withholding it is malicious behavior.

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Yes it is either do it right or don’t add the vehicles

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Fine tuning a vehicle by using reload speeds and/or shells is a good way to achieve balance, because we only have finite number of BR steps.

I think we should agree to disagree here.

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I can agree to that your opinion is not any less valid than mine l. I feel like people don’t convey that and get emotional about things.

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Decompressing 9.0 - 9.3 was the goal of all of this.
We need more BRs in the game, but I don’t know Gaijin’s plans and they’ll do as they seem fit.

It is hard if you have finite number of BR steps you could use, this is why we have worse/better vehicles sitting at the same BR. Some vehicles might get too strong for their BR but too weak for the BR above them at the same time, which is why slight changes are needed to make vehicles fit, regardless if they go up or down.

When a new vehicle is added they will put it in a BR where they think the vehicle’s capabilities wouldn’t be too weak/strong. Of course they might fail to do it perfectly right at the start, which is why vehicle’s efficiency will be a good tell if something bad is happening, at least for vehicles from popular nations like US/GER/USSR.

As I said above, balancing with efficiency in mind isn’t perfect but it should be fine for popular nations/vehicles, but some not-so-used vehicles might need a closer look to see if they fit in their current BR.

I’m sure M833 will be given, but at the time when M1 gets powercrept to the point it starts struggling. Gaijin withholding it is nothing more than a sign they believe M1 is perfectly fine where it is.

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Amen

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How recent are these statistics and where they come from? Gaijin themselves or something like thunderskill? They only account for winrates?

How recent are these statistics and where they come from?

Four days ago.

Gaijin themselves or something like thunderskill?

War thunder data project which draws from thunderskill.

They only account for winrates?

Win rate / Ground frags per death / Ground frags per battle

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bro is not helping his case 💀💀

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I think that starting with the M60A1 RISE, all tanks with the 105mm gun should be given an APDS-FS. The M60A1 RISE with the M774 as its best bullet, the M60A3 TTS and the first Abrams with the M833, leaving the M900 for the IPM1.

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The cclv has m833 at 10.3 and the strikers have 900 at 10.3. So i can’t see why not to let the m1 have m833. But i do think it should not get m900.