At 10.7 only Challengers have 5s reload, which is great until you find out you only have 3 rounds in your first stage stowage.
I’ve always said to myself that you can always aim better, but you cannot change how fast time goes. You almost always should aim at same places regardless of the round you have.
How can you be average when you’re the best ?
You forgot about Chinese, Japanese and Israelis.
Sometimes refilling isn’t an option and having more ammo that’s secured is always better.
You’re seriously underestimating the power of mobility in this game, and yes they are. If you find yourself in a situation where you need to shoot repeatedly you’ll quickly burn through that first ammo stowage. Also, Challengers are notorious for getting OHK through their breech area.
Considering you like Challengers this much, I think 120S would be a better choice for you. 5s reload with 600mm of pen at 10.3 with great thermals and turret armor is probably something that’s hand made for you lol.
Meanwhile RU top tier tanks are/were amazing while having pretty mediocre/bad shell for their BR.
It’s the standard for most MBTs… If America and Britain solely made a majority of MBTs.
Germany doesn’t have a standard of -10dg, nor does Japan, Italy, France, Sweden, South Korea, and… So on.
Is everything a “NATO standard” if you deem it good enough?
@PT1GodHunter Now watch them bring up some completely irrelevant point like they always do, and how they continue to ignore the M774 round has no place at 10.7
Yet that’s the constant argument used is the reload rate as to why the M1 shouldn’t get the M833 when it would STILL be the worst round at 10.7… and cool, how does the Object 292 and M60 120S have anything to do with the M1 that has to snipe VERY specific spots (especially in an uptier. T90 is almost impossible to get frontally so God speed at range) while tanks even before it can one tap it through the front with very limited difficulty, even at its own BR. Not even joking, every other nations first APFSDS can go through the turret cheeks. That’s not including the fact the M1 is stuck with the M735 which has an anemic penetration capability at 292mm flat pen at 10 meters…
I mean with that argument; the Object 292 is a T-series on steroids :T What’s your argument toward why the Object 292 shouldn’t be raised in BR as it’s has competitive composite armor and a powerful gun in BRs above what it is currently yet is 10.7 when it’s resistant to 11.7 shells.
Wanna note that the Leopard 2A7V and the Challanger 3TD are limited to the DM53, a round from 2001, whereas they operate the newer DM rounds such as the DM73 in real life? Also, the T80U can pen the UFP just fine on the Leopard 2A7V with the SLIGHTEST of firing downward and the T80U can pen the Challanger 3TD through the entire front of the hull. Same thing occurs vice versa so it matches how tank combat is and where the first tank to get a shot on target will usually, not always, win the fight.
Though, I’ll add the T-80U is also running 1992 ammo so again, it gets FURTHER development of its munitions.
If we’re being realistic here, the M1 is gonna be uptiered because of the lack of a 10.7 BR across the nations. Not exaggerating but I’ve had like 2 battles that weren’t max uptier in the M1 in the last 2 months. With the exception of tanks with autoloaders, almost those 120mm guns have 6 second reload. I’d happily take a 6 second reload if I can actually penetrate tanks v a 5 second reload with a gun that mostly fails to pen unless from the side.
1991 is the doi for 3BM46. And how does it matter if T-80U in game is T-80UM from 1992?
I would love to see what 11.7 shell 292 can take without being penetrated by it. Especially to the hull, since there it can be penned by some very weak ATGMs.
well don’t forget TURMS-T has 3BM42 at 10.3 and T-72 Moderna has TAPNA with 509mm of pen and sit at 10.7
I guess M833 even M900 are fine for Abrams to have it
Yes updating m774 to m833 would still keep the m1 in the same spot it is if we’re purely basing our view on pen versus other contemporaries. with m833 you would still need to hit the same weak spots on a t80 as with m774. I haven’t checked all the vehicles to see if they change but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t create any new weaknesses on other vehicles.
T-80B has the worst reload, reverse speed, turret traverse, etc. etc. but as compensation it’s got good penetration and decent turret armour.
That’s how the game works, you know? Advantages and disadvantages that create an overall balanced tank.
If you want to play a tank with high penetration at the cost of other metrics, play the M60 120S, if you want to play a tank that’s extremely versatile with incredible gun handling, mobility and reload rate, play the M1.
We’re going in circles here.
I already asked you to inform yourself on this topic and put some research into these vehicles. If you do that you’ll realize they are not equivalent vehicles in the slightest.
Instead you’re choosing to stay ignorant and continue to act as though the Object 292 is somehow equivalent to, and justifies the M1 Thumper.
Also, Object 292 is a T-80B sidegrade, I’d be amused if you legitimately believe it’s superior to a T-80U or T-80BVM.
I really don’t see the problem with M833 that only had 395mm of pen at maximum it still even worse than 105mm DM33 it not the super high pen round 10.7 for M833 i don’t see it too much