I like how you always have an excuse for something. Instead of just accepting that you play the m1 better than it’s equivalents in other trees, there’s some mental gymnastics justification that means it actually isn’t better. As if you play the m1 intelligently, but the Leo’s like an idiot?
I’m speaking of other players. And again, you all were very adamant earlier that the round would even be a placebo or have zero effect?
I never said anything about being a placebo. Some other people did, I never.
So what is it? A slight buff to ammunition that’s historically accurate is too much? Or not enough?
Your argumentative question here is based on your incorrect assumption from above.
And you’re correct, it’s my opinion that improving the M1 to that degree would encourage others to play. But most importantly of course, the turret ring. But since the M1, M1 KVT, and IPM1 all have the turret ring modeled in such a way that they don’t immediately go to useless when a 30mm spits on them, that’s another thread which we have covered and are now waiting 10 months and counting to see fixed.
Glad we can agree that it is only your opinion and you at least understand this unlike speclistmain who does not see the distinction. Turret ring bug reports have been acknowledged. Nothing else to that.
Considering that the opposition here has been making excuses to not include the M833, I don’t see how my excuses are any different from theirs.
And I’m glad we can agree that you don’t like the distinction and that Gaijin has been waffling on getting the turret ring fixed for top tier M1A1s and M1A2s for almost a year now.
When the Clickbait got the M829A2, y’all said it was handholding the premium players.
The difference between giving the M833 to the M1 or M1 KVT isn’t even that great of a buff by comparison of the Clickbait M1A1 being given the current strongest US round in the game.
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And I’m glad we can agree that you don’t like the distinction and that Gaijin has been waffling on getting the turret ring fixed for top tier M1A1s and M1A2s for almost a year now.
And? There are lots of vehicles in the game that have had long outstanding bug reports that still have not been fixed. They will fix it when they get around to it, they’re not going to drop everything else that is in hand just to jump on the special child.
When the Clickbait got the M829A2, y’all said it was handholding the premium players.
Who is “y’all”? I’ve never heard of him. Certainly isn’t me because I never said this either. Besides I thought even US mains were complaining about clickbaits ruining win rates and dragging teams down with poor performance? This is just further credence that gaijin balances based on the average vehicle performance as they say. The clickbait newbies have managed to drag down the performance sufficiently to get it buffed. By the same metric if the M1 performance drops, it will get buffed or moved. Otherwise it will remain as is.
The difference between giving the M833 to the M1 or M1 KVT isn’t even that great of a buff by comparison of the Clickbait M1A1 being given the current strongest US round in the game.
Guess you’ll just need to hope that you get enough newbie KVT players doing poorly to lower the average performance enough then eh?
And? Those vehicles should have been addressed more swiftly. Not simply ‘the special child’, although the special child in question happens to be the top tier of an entire tech tree of a major nation in the game.
That’s the great thing about submitting suggestions, they don’t need to require your permission or the company’s to be made. And general observations of gameplay matter quite a bit.
No you simply infer it alongside those with louder personal insults.
This is not a worthy argument for keeping a vehicle the same as-is. And again, you’ve never really been able to adequately explain why the M833 shouldn’t be added to the M1 and M1 KVT.
In my experience with the IPM1, the M833 round feels like a slightly more powerful M774. It does the job, not great, but not terrible. And that’s a machine that’s tiered now at 11.3, versus 10.7. Thus, it makes perfect sense to include it as the next round up for the M1 and M1 KVT, similar to every other vehicle at 10.7.
No other vehicle at 10.7 outside of light tanks and IFVs has such a light main gun round as the M1 and M1 KVT. And even the light tanks still have the M833 (see the CCVL, which sits at 10.0 and has just as much mobility as M1, just no armor) for use on long-range maps as a fourth-tier round.
Thus, adding the M833 wouldn’t break the game. What’s your refutation of this?
PS: One more follow-up:
If the ‘newbies’ dragged down the performance enough that it needed a buff, does that mean that the buff goes away after the newbies catch up?
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For those who are saying that Abrams would need to move to 11 if it received m833 I could agree if we were talking about m900 and not m833
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And? Those vehicles should have been addressed more swiftly. Not simply ‘the special child’, although the special child in question happens to be the top tier of an entire tech tree of a major nation in the game.
Why? The vehicles are already balanced based on their average performance with the turret rings existing as they are. Don’t be surprised if they tend to move up if the turret rings make a significant change in the future. The devs clearly have priorities that we are not party to regardless.
That’s the great thing about submitting suggestions, they don’t need to require your permission or the company’s to be made. And general observations of gameplay matter quite a bit.
Unrelated to what I said. I never said that bug reports and their like require permission to be made either so moot point.
No you simply infer it alongside those with louder personal insults.
I’ve never inferred anything to do with the clickbait and receiving a new shell previously, so wrong again. I’m not even sure if I even mentioned it prior at all.
Everything after this point is just more of your opinion. Neither here nor there, simply subjective opinion. Also entirely missing out key aspects that have previously been pointed out by many other than I. Don’t feel like going in circles over your opinion again for the next X posts.
I will reiterate for the umpteenth time, if the average performance is inadequate based on gaijins statistics they will move it, up or down or add or don’t a new shell. Regardless of whatever your opinion on the matter is, or mine, or anyone in this thread.
If the ‘newbies’ dragged down the performance enough that it needed a buff, does that mean that the buff goes away after the newbies catch up?
The shell would likely not be removed but if in the hypothetical situation no new players continued to purchase the vehicle and existing players improved their skills and raised the average performance. It would follow that the vehicle would move upwards in BR if gaijin deems necessary.
You don’t know if the M1 or M1 KVT would need to go up in BRs because of adding the M833, but you steadfastly refuse to allow for it even being added in the first place.
I will reiterate, your incessant repetition and constant personal attacks of performance of other players are a you thing.
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And this is absolutely part of the problem which I have raised repeatedly. I ask the devs for more clarity and actually speaking to players in regards to these bug fixes.
Not simply an “acknowledged” and then silence for months or years. That’s how you lose players.
Furthermore, “they move it up if they fix”?
Excuse me? How is fixing a model you’ve known was bugged from the beginning warranting a higher BR?
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You don’t know if the M1 or M1 KVT would need to go up in BRs because of adding the M833, but you steadfastly refuse to allow for it even being added in the first place.
I’ve said about what, six or seven, maybe more now times already and I will say it. Yet. Again. Since you aren’t listening. I said that you get M833 sure, but you’re most likely going to be getting moved up to 11.0 in return for it. Which you have a problem with. I’ve also stated that it doesn’t matter whether or not you have a problem with it because that is solely up to gaijin and their findings on the average performance.
I will reiterate, your incessant repetition and constant personal attacks of performance of other players are a you thing.
Using peoples statistics isn’t a “personal attack”. Furthermore it is a simple fact that some people are better at the game than others, some are above and some are below average. These are all factors to be taken into account when discussions of vehicle capabilities are the focus. But do go on.
And this is absolutely part of the problem which I have raised repeatedly. I ask the devs for more clarity and actually speaking to players in regards to these bug fixes.
Not simply an “acknowledged” and then silence for months or years. That’s how you lose players.
Well according to steam charts at least war is generally trending upwards in player count over time so clearly it isn’t that much of a problem. The reality is most people will have a little whine and then carry on playing anyway. I know I’ve done so in the past. You’re doing so right now.
Furthermore, “they move it up if they fix”?
Excuse me? How is fixing a model you’ve known was bugged from the beginning warranting a higher BR?
Did you suddenly forget everything about gaijin balancing using average vehicle performance? The abrams are where they are right now with the turret ring as it is. If the turret ring gets “fixed” and the performance increases beyond what gaijin find acceptable for their current BRs they WILL move up. Does not matter if it is a bug or not, they’re currently at the BR where they are based off the state they are currently in.
So add the M833.
The BR they inhabit is not about performance, it’s about fun. You can have good performance and not have fun.
And it’s Gaijin’s own mix-up that caused the players not to have fun. Thus, the BR should not be increased simply because the vehicle performs AS IT ORIGINALLY SHOULD HAVE.
I’m not arguing this pedantry further with you.
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So add the M833.
I’m sorry to disappoint you but I don’t make that decision and neither do you. Gaijin will make that decision only if they deem it necessary and any other changes they may deem necessary too.
The BR they inhabit is not about performance, it’s about fun. You can have good performance and not have fun.
Wrong. Gaijin balances vehicles based on average performance first and foremost. It is one of the chief reasons why gaijin has received so many complaints from people with different opinions in spite of what the unbiased stats that gaijin have say. If a vehicle performs better than it should it moves up, if it performs worse than it should it moves down.
And it’s Gaijin’s own mix-up that caused the players not to have fun. Thus, the BR should not be increased simply because the vehicle performs AS IT ORIGINALLY SHOULD HAVE.
That’s your opinion. It’s not how it works though. The vehicle is not currently balanced based on “what if this change happens X amount of years down the line”. They are currently balanced based on their current performance with the vehicle in the state it is currently in. If changes occur that make the vehicle perform above what gaijin deem acceptable they will likely change it. This is just matter of fact.
I’m not arguing this pedantry further with you.
Good because your biased opinions got old quite a long time ago and won’t change the reality of how gaijin operates.
Translation: I need to have the final say because Gaijin can do no wrong. Even though we’ve established they can, have, and will continue to do so, and suggestions for player enjoyment should absolutely be considered.
Now, when adding M833, we’ll see how the vehicle performs and then have this discussion again.
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Translation: I need to have the final say because Gaijin can do no wrong. Even though we’ve established they can, have, and will continue to do so, and suggestions for player enjoyment should absolutely be considered. See yourself out.
Sounds like a bit of projection honestly given you just replied to me. Also entirely irrelevant, don’t know why you care about “the last word”.
I need to have the final say because Gaijin can do no wrong.
Never said this.
Even though we’ve established they can, have, and will continue to do so, and suggestions for player enjoyment should absolutely be considered.
They are considered, but to a much lesser degree than the statistics are. Been said already. The only times changes do not go through from the statistics based balancing is when a massive uproar occurs, and even then will only be cancelled in certain circumstances where likely it is within tolerance. I’ve already said this.
See yourself out.
I’m fine here, thanks. I know you would like to forcibly remove me because I oppose you as you made very clear in your PMs where you were rebuked. It’s not on the table however.
Edit: And also, just so we’re very clear, thanks for clearing up why you have a private account.
Again, totally off-topic and the private account boogeyman you have invented will never not be funny to me.
Now, when adding M833, we’ll see how the vehicle performs and then have this discussion again.
You mean “if” adding.
And?
There was nothing else, it was a simple statement much like yours.
That is not a judgment you can make about reality denial because you have never even played the tanks in question. Your requirement of leaning on Gaijin’s balancing metrics isn’t going to change the game for you, it will change the game for those who want to main the US.
Whether or not I have played the M1 has absolutely zero consequences on how gaijin balance it aside from the fact that my individual stat performance in it is obviously not included within their statistics yet. Which will change before long given I’m not far off it but intend to get the HSTV-L first.
And you’re also wrong saying it won’t change the game for me, changes to vehicles change the game for everybody at that BR range. It impacts every nation and every other vehicle within thar BR range. A fact you seem to forget. People “maining the US” are not the sole concern of gaijin.
PS: Me PMing you privately because you have been ultimately exactly as I said just underscores that you know how you’ve been behaving, you just don’t care.
It’s that sort of toxicity that drives other players away from the game. Maybe that’s what you want. It’s not what I want.
Again entirely off-topic and the fact that you’re trying to justify your unqualified threats you were rebuked on is telling. Stop bringing it up, you’ve been told already about this and it is unrelated to the topic.
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You main Britain. The M833 round is not a huge threat to a Chally. Hell it takes me 3 or 4 rounds of 774 to try and put down a Vickers if it doesn’t donkey punch my breech with a 120.
You’re welcome to say “Gaijin is right”, but you consistently needing to make this a vendetta against mains of US and other vehicle proponents for improvements has been a long running thing here in the forums, one that I never understood until now.
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You main Britain. The M833 round is not a huge threat to a Chally. Hell it takes me 3 or 4 rounds of 774 to try and put down a Vickers if it doesn’t donkey punch my breech with a 120.
That’s your anecdotal experience even if taken at face value.
You’re welcome to say “Gaijin is right”, but you consistently needing to make this a vendetta against mains of US and other vehicle proponents for improvements has been a long running thing here in the forums, one that I never understood until now.
Persecution complex. Topics from US mains asking for unnecessary or unrealistic changes occur more frequently than other nations so I post in those more. I do the same for other nations, including the UK as I’ve pointed out in a multiple UK threads why certain vehicles won’t or unlikely to move. If there were more threads from germany asking for changes I disagreed with then I would suddenly have a vendetta against german mains or so on. I’ve been called a russian defender, NATO defender, everything inbetween. I think I’m striking a good balance based on that
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To you, persecution complex.
To you, “unnecessary or unrealistic changes”.
As I’ve illustrated, the M833 round addition to the M1 and M1 KVT is neither unnecessary, nor unrealistic. It’s justified with the new BR increase and the foes It’s expected to face and the maps it now inhabits at long ranges.
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As I’ve illustrated, the M833 round addition to the M1 and M1 KVT is neither unnecessary, nor unrealistic. It’s justified with the new BR increase and the foes It’s expected to face and the maps it now inhabits at long ranges.
You haven’t. You’ve given your opinion that you think it should get M833 and not move up in BR. Others, including myself have highlighted why it shouldn’t and or why it is unlikely to happen.
That’s the fact of it.
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I played 15 matches in 3 different vehicles over 24 hours and showed the facts of it since the new BR update.
You can’t do that. Thus, your claim to facts is merely an opinion without even subjective experience to back it up.
The others who have backed you up have done so with a plethora of personal insults and derogatory remarks that make me question their motivation.
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