The 2A4’s hp/ton is 27.17
The M1 Abrams’ hp/ton is 27.27
The Vickers Mk.7’s hp/ton is 27.47
It’s not that much faster than any other MBT.
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Have you taken a moment to look at what the click bait get and what the t-80ue get and what br they are lol
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And they removed DM53 for 2PL.
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That’s simply not true, but if you want to trade the insane reload for a slightly higher one then be my guest.
Seems like a bad idea for me.
It’s the fastest and has the best mobility.
Why do you guys keep trying to pretend that the abrams is a bad tank?
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I would argue that the Tanks that did get a better round needed them (except for the HC/Clickbait for obvious reasons).
I haven’t touched the M1 mainly because I went right for the IPM1 since it was 10.3 (back in the day). I’ve thought about playing the M1 but always been put off by it’s weak turret armor so I usually play the striker.
If the tanks went up in BR without raising the max BR, then I absolutely agree with you however since almost all MBTs went up in BR, I can’t really make an argument for the M1 getting the M833.
But I don’t like the insinuation (from some people) that getting the M833 will make the M1 broken. It’s just a slight buff and not gonna change the metta of the game.
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If you asked this question to someone reasonable the answer would be yes.
You’re asking a US main so the answer is no.
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I’d say yea it really needs the buf. Go look at the amout of 9.3 tanks that have better rounds with more pen compared to the KVT. Its fast and all and feels like a light tank when playing it. More often than not my shots do nothing and I get taken out in 1 hit.
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Looking at just the first couple of nations, and not taking in to account anything other than the pen of the rounds that the tanks has:
Germany: 10.0 Radkamp 90 -DM33, 10.0 Leo 2k - DM 23, 9.3 Leo 1A5 -DM33
Britain: 9.0 Chieftan MK10 -Shot L23, 9.3 VFM5 -DM33, 9.3 Rooikat -DM33, 9.3 Olifant MK2 -DM63
Japan: 9.0 Type 74 -Type 93, 9.7 Type 16 -Type 93
China: 9.3 CM11 -DM63, 9.3 ZTZ96 -Type 1985.
All these above have better rounds compared to the KVT. I might be dumb, but I dont see how you can not reason that the KVT needs a better round.
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Kind of you to qualify whatever followed as pointless given that vehicles do not operate in a vacuum where a singular parameter is all that matters.
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Kindly note that I never said anything about the KVT and its BT needing to go up or down. I’m simply stating thet the vehicle needs to get a better round. I simply meant to show that there are vehicles at lower BR’s that has better fire power than the KVT.
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And I’m simply stating that it doesn’t “need a better round” because a vehicle is the sum of all its parts and taking one factor in isolation to try to justify buffing an already very good vehicle is pants on head silly.
You want a better shell? Then you can go to 11.0.
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Every one has their own options, mine is simply that the vehicle could do with a better round. If it getting a better round moves it up to 11.0 then so be it as again, in my opinion (that doesn’t meen much to start with) the vehicle would play/perform better.
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This is why I say that it does not deserve a BR increase when even lower-BR vehicles carry rounds with higher penetration and can readily kill an M1.
Why did the IPM1 get the BR increase? Not because of the M833, but because of its turret armor increase. And even then, folks argued to grant it a higher pen round, resulting in the M900.
To wit, if the vehicle below can carry intermediate rounds that go at the BR above it, the M1 can use M833.
I wasn’t aware I was a US main. How astonishing. Wait, let me check.
Hm. Nope. Not merely a US main. Must be the fall weather, you’re taking sick, “Knight”.
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I can appreciate your clarification here, Honda, thank you. Also, in my opinion, you’re right, a slight ‘buff’ as far as giving it a proper historical top round wouldn’t break the meta, at all.
Nowhere have I said the M1 is a bad tank. Please do not gaslight me with a lie. I’m asking for historical accuracy when comparing the amount of ‘accurate’ rounds on other nations that exceed the M774 by a wide margin and closing the gap with the M833 for the M1.
No more, no less. Can you live with that distinction?
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You are a US main, simply putting on filters to make it look otherwise does not change that fact.
You’re also equally as misguided as the other guy by virtue of the fact that you cannot understand the simple concept that vehicles in war thunder are the sum of their parts so taking “penetration” in a vacuum whilst ignoring every other aspect of the vehicle is laughable and you could apply this defunct reasoning to any vehicle to ask for ludicrous buffs.
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You’re being disingenuous. Unsurprising, given our interpersonal history.
I played the M4A5 (a Canadian tank) because it was easier to grind the tech tree from the very bottom, rather than deal with the constant upset of being outgunned and outmaneuvered by other nations throughout Cold War tanks.
Note the difference in kills versus deaths. Grinding through to top tier in other nations was exponentially easier than USA.
Also, none of this retracts what I said about giving the M1 a historically accurate round for its model, so I’m glad you needed to resort to trying to lambast me as a US main as if it were a character flaw. To wit, the M1 still faces a lolpen round and other ‘accurate’ rounds that far exceed its penetration, and those tanks can still easily destroy an M1 if it sighted first (a likelihood given that visibility percentages still exist even in Realistic).
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You’re being disingenuous.
Says the person who applied filters to the image he posted to try to obfuscate the truth when literally anybody can check your statcard because it is public. Pretty Dim.
You mainly play the US. You have more US vehicles than any other nation. You have more spaded US vehicles than any other nation. You have more battles in US vehicles than any other nation. You are, a US main. You main, the US.
I know wrapping your head around really simple concepts like this is difficult, but do try to follow.
Also, none of this retracts what I said about giving the M1 a historically accurate round for its model, so I’m glad you needed to resort to trying to lambast me as a US main as if it were a character flaw.
Here you are being disingenuous again. I said you could have a better round, but you also take the BR increase to go with it. You don’t want that however because you’re a US main and want the vehicle to overperform.
Even more evident by the fact that you continue to double down on “muh penetration” while ignoring every other aspect of the tank. Like I don’t know, the rate of fire better than the majority of other tanks at that BR? Wouldn’t want to point that out though since that is a positive and detracts from your poor argument.
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And again, you spam comments attacking me based on stats when my stats even show it’s easier to play in other nations than it is USA. Thus the M1 being given a slightly better round that’s also accurate doesn’t break the meta. Good day.
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Why did you try to obfuscate the truth if it didn’t matter? How quaint.
You’re not getting M833 without a BR increase, simple as that. The fact that people like necrons can pull a 6+K/D comfortably in it with it’s current equipment over a significant sample size shows it is absolutely fine where it is.
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