Welcome to the game War Thunder where reload rate has explicitly been said to be used as a tool of balance.
So do you want to answer my question?
It would provide parity as they shell would of almost equal penetration to the leopard 2A4 whilst having the same reload.
So because bad players do poorly, they should get help instead of just learning to play already strong vehicles? But what happens if you make those already strong vehicles stronger? In the hands of good players they become oppressive. Balancing around lowest common denominators allows for good players to abuse broken vehicles and seal club. Should Russia 10.X get similar buffs because it suffers from the same issues? Fuck no.
And thus we come back to the crux of what you alp are arguing. You’re saying the M833 round (which isn’t even that OP a round and is a placebo) would somehow imbalance teams and make the US ground oppressive? As oppressive as German and USSR winrates the last few years?
Or maybe it would encourage players to want to stick with it.
If the balancing is done off player performance, the US should be the most handheld of the bunch, and yet they aren’t. So what’s to be said of this paradox?
Dm23 has higher pen than than m833
“Make my nation handheld so the trash players can compete”
Its on them for not learning how to play the nation they chose if you lower the skill floor which would mean dropping the BRs again it would make the good players go back to the US and abuse the broken vehicles for a few months till they get moved up again
Yes by about 10mm. Incredible.
So you can have a 6.5s reload instead then since you’ve pointed out the very minor difference I already alluded to.
Sound good?
Great.
Parity.
“Skill Issue” is a DEFYN decal, not a way of life.
If you’re consistently going to crap on those players, like you said, they’ll go where it’s easier. Making the vehicle easier for entry-level players will mean more want to stay and play.
How is this a negative outcome for y’all? Do you not want the game to grow?
Also has a far higher weight and superior spall modifier.
If the Abrams at 10.7 doesn’t need M833, then neither do any other 10.7 MBT need their rounds that give them 400mm+ penetration.
The Abrams, Arietes, Leopards, Leclercs, Merkavas, T-series, etc. can all equally not have access to 400mm+ penetration APFSDS. Therefore they can all suffer equally in that regard, then.
These bogus arguments about the Abrams not needing M833 are utter trash. If the Abrams doesn’t need it then no other 10.7 MBT needs 400mm+ of pen on a shell, either.
I want a balanced game i dont want abrams at 10.0 with m833 because shitters suck
Nor does 9.0 Japan need type 93 to this same effect
Well 833 seem fine it not M900 level they should have it long ago
Type 74G is 9.3 and is a glorified tank destroyer. Even WW2 era cannons can kill it, including SPAAG’s.
Type 16’s - All of them, can be given Type 93 and uptiered accordingly depending on the rest of the vehicle’s capabilities.
That’s literally all Japan even has in the 9.0 BR zone other than the Type 89 that’s been nerfed into oblivion and the Type 93 SPAA that’s woefully overtiered for its capabilities.
Type 74 f still gets type 93
Wow.
I’m gonna take a break. I’ll play 292 and then M1.
See what the results are.
But that line right there says balance isn’t what you’re looking for, at least to me.
Edit: and it’s 10.7 right now. I didn’t ask for the BR to be lowered.
Which is also a glorified tank destroyer.
No evidence for either that it effects spalling in this instance. Necrons addressed this point earlier in this thread as well as a video. Why are you even bringing up other parameters in the first place? The whole argument that has been laid out is that the M1 should get M833 because lower BR tanks have shells with more penetration.
So really by the argument being put forth nothing else should matter unless you’re conceding that other parameters do indeed matter and that tanks are balanced based on the sum of their parts (no way, like many have said in here) and that the M1 is fine where it is as a result.
So you have no problems with reload being increased to 6.5s reload, being slightly better than the 2A4 in exchange for being a slightly lower penetration shell then the 2A4. Parity yes?
You’re not wrong much like the leopard1
Tell me which one is DM23.
And no Necrons is not a source.