After I finally convinced Gaijin to get the Harriers buffed they did so. (not to the full extent but they did.)
The Thrust is now significantly higher than it was before making it near impossible to flare and missiles.
An R-60 is now an IRCCM death sentence same with AIM9L you can throw every flare you have and turn as hard 90 as possible and it will still track regardless.
IRL this was totally different however as the Harrier turbo-fan engine was very cold and it was difficult to even get IR acquisitions think F-5.
Gaijin used a code already to change the F117 heat signature and its time they did so for the Harriers.
It is completely unfair to be forced to play with such an artificial nerf as this.
On top of this it is also forced to play with a massive black cloud of smoke behind it despite the engine being smokeless IRL.
They flares done even deploy correctly.
Harrier AN/ALE-40 CM dispenser should be a single fire // Gaijin.net // Issues
To end this the Harrier should be able to 1 flare a Strela missile…
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Iirc the high heat signature is because gaijin has it modeled at 4x the amount it’s supposed to be, because of the 4 nozzles.
Edit: this has been confirmed to be a common misconception. The real issue of its heat is caused by how gaijin models IR signatures based on thrust provided.
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might be they modeled all 4 nozzles to have the full heat of the 1 engine meaning 4X as you said.
Only the rear 2 nozzles where actually hot IRL and they would have a 50/50 split of thrust so in practice it might actually be 8X greater than it should be.
You do know that air out the back nozzles is about half as hot as say an F-15 or F-16 class engine…
Not only that, the Harrier in the image is stationary and there is no forward moving air to diffuse the heat.
Read this: In all cases the flares dispensed from the Harrier, in full power, were successful in decoying both trial missile seeker heads from the target aircraft.
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yes it is more dangerous to be moving in a sense because the hot air gets mixed with cold further out from the plane potentially bringing the missile closer to the actual tail where the hot air hasn’t mixed in yet
The front nozzles literally blows cold air onto the back “hot” nozzles and diffuses it at any speed if the nozzles are pointing backwards.
Same way a helicopter points its jet exhaust into the propellers.
which means that the instant hotspot is on the nozzle which will be where the missile is aiming at
i’m sure the missile has a nice juicy target like that
as you can see yourself this system doesn’t remove all heat even if you want it to.
Yeah its hot lol but the flare is significantly hotter.
I should have 0 trouble flaring a missile in a Harrier in game yet its next to impossible.
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how do you know the r60 seeker goes against what is the hottest irl instead of any other logic?
Try submitting a big report with this information
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Tech mod already knows its just a matter of getting gaijin to care enough.
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Try to make this sentence make sense than I will try to answer it.
so you dont understand preset pattern matching mass approximation or rate based targeting
ok buddy
They tested it against an AIM9L and a strela missile and it worked both times.
Not once in my near 2000 hours of play time have I ever flared a Strela in a Harrier when playing ground RB.
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and both of which are completely different?
what makes you think you can flare a ccd camera?
Nothing can flare a Strela, it’s impossible to be flared so long as it’s using optical tracking via Photo-Contrast. Gaijin has modeled it so countermeasures have zero affect on the missiles tracking.
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what makes it so special?(idk)
The fact that it can IRL as the Harrier was known to be very cold seeing that it is after all a Turbo-Fan engine and not a turbo-Jet.
Yeah that just shows its easy to defend against multiple types of IR missiles and should be in game.
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