I’d wager they did what they’ve done for all F-5Es: copy paste the flight model from the US one.
I imagine they’ve done the same for all the F-5As as well.
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Hi. Shouldn’t the SCU on dev receive AGM-65Ds and four python 3s (if it even had an option of carrying them?)? It currently gets only 2 air-to-airs and is literally inferior to the squadron FCU, while remaining at the same BR.
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Tbh I wouldn’t mind giving it Python 3 on the inner wing pylons and AIM-9M on the outer pylons (as well as AGM-65Ds if such are possible).
Yes, due to better electronics (HMD can eventually become a powerful thing in combination with Pythons and 9M) and such a quantity and quality of missiles to be placed on 12.0-12.3 but it would be better than what it is now (“cropped” in terms of armament F-5E FCU, but in TT).
And, well, I don’t think it’s a good idea to give this aircraft Python 4 (I doubt it will be fun to play with only 4 such missiles at 14.x against Eurofighters and in the future Su-30 and F-18)
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What I find surprising is that it still has the at this BR very obsolete radar. I’d rather have a radar with IFF than a HMD that is situational at best…
That the SCU is on the same BR as the FCU, but actually seems to be a rather less capable aircraft, is another surprise.
It gets only 2 Python 4, the other two missiles are Python 3 under the wings. With that loadout I could see it at maybe 12.7, 13.0 if the missiles are overly strong.
For a plane with (if Gaijin adds the missing ALE-40) 105 countermeasures, 15 of them large, and with a slightly more agile flight model than a regular F-5 (once they fix the wing) it can be a decent plane there.
Compared to an F-16A Block 10 it gets 2 less missiles, but also 2 better ones alongside significantly more CMs and with AGM-65Ds some better CAS as well.
Then the F-5TH would be a bit higher, with Derby and IRIS-T, but it’d still have the missiles to help it and the countermeasures and at least workable flight performance to make it comete at that BR.
I’m not really a fan of the idea of limiting what the F-5T is best known for, which is being a Python 4 armed F-5. It’s also the highest performing F-5 that doesn’t sacrifice one of the cannons for a better radar.
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Needs more souces on Radar, RWR, counter measure counts, AGM-65D.
Right now all the sources are websites, etc
Since it is SCU it have HMD already in game
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Are you referring to the F-5s in Thailand or in the world in general?
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Radar and RWR aren’t changed in the SCU, only the F-5TH (Third Capability Upgrade) got the new EL/M-2032 radar.
AN/ALE-40 countermeasure dispensers have already been reported, but passed as suggestion. These would be used with the F-16A/B OCU/ADF, Alpha Jet A/TH and F-5T/E/F, and L-39ZA/ART.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OkqSrvjLionU
Referencing Thailand here, not sure how others stack up.
Though with a solid loadout of 2x Python 4 and 2x Python 3, HMD, IHQ package and additional AN/ALE-40 CM dispensers I’d imagine it’d at least still be up there somewhere.
I think this variant would be in fifth place among the F-5s in the world. The order would be:
- F-5TH Super Tigris (Thailand)
- F-5EM (Brazil)
- F-5E Tiger III Plus (Chile)
- F-5E Plus (Chile)
- F-5E SCU Tigris (Thailand)
It’s a bit difficult to classify them because some are better at missiles, others at radar, others at ground attack payload, but generally they are all similar.
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What about the flight model itself? It should have the IHQ package- the sharknose and W6 LEX- as well ad the underwing air to air missiles? I feel like at least these 2 changes should be added to the SCU to make it a little bit more competitive.
Report was accepted, now we’ll just have to hope they fix it.
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Lets hope gaijin doesnt pull a gaijin and not fix it for some obscure reason. The SCU has the potential to be a baller aircraft IMO with these bug fixes.
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soooooooooo,
where is 2 more AAMs?😭
this SCU is more like Second Capability downgrade
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OkqSrvjLionU
According to them, they are already equipped with the countermeasures they should have.
edit: Oh no, sorry, I thought you were talking about countermeasures, I didn’t read well, hahaha
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While the F-5s are probably not going to get them as there is no images so far, Gaijin made a mistake here.
They read about the additional countermeasures and thought they were sreferring to the standard equipment of these aircraft.
However since images of the F-16A OCU exist mounting the AN/ALE-40 in addition to the regular AN/ALE-47 there is definitive proof that Gaijin misinterpreted it.
They also should fix the OCU’s current AN/ALE-47 countermeasures, which should be 60 flares or chaff. Large flares are an option, but since there is no large chaff but there is small flares other F-16s give 60 instead with only the Thai OCU having the limit to 45 countermeasures for no apparent reason.
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I think you’re right in that regard. I’ve seen the 15x large-caliber countermeasures modeled on other F-16s and gaijin takes them as if they were the standard 30x. I don’t know why in this case they decided to stick to reality and not in other F-16s. Without taking into account that 45 countermeasures are pitiful in that BR.
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I’d argue small countermeasures are more accurate considering there is actually small flares, not just large. Meanwhile the large flares by virtue of the countermeasure system in game also bring large chaff that doesn’t seem to exist.
https://www.tara-aerospace.com/TM-M206
I’d hope to see it changed to 60, rather than others brought down to 45. Though I would also be happy about a reworked system where you can fill each dispenser individually with either 30 small flares, 30 chaff or 15 large flares just like reality.
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With how rushed the December update was, it would not surprise me if some of the Thai stuff that was added was half-baked at best lol