No all-aspect IR missiles for USA before 12.0?

The A-10s are very effective at wiping 70% of the enemy team 60% of the time by spamming those missiles so im guessing that reason is part of it.

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If you’ve ever flown an A-10, you’ll know that by the time you get to the fight, half the players are dead.

A-10 players only rely on luck and opponent’s lack of attention (engaged in dogfight with someone else) to get air kills. Overall, the A-10 is the worst platform for such missiles.

Not only does other nations have similar aircraft at same BR (Su25), but they also have the same missiles on much faster platforms.

True that the R-60M is inferior to AIM 9L, but just having the ability for your missile to lock on from all aspects can make a huge difference, even if the missile is not as good.

At least you can find all-aspects above 12.0. But I bet you cannot find a single aircraft in the German TT that has TV guided Bombs.

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i was going to say sweden says hi but i forgot the Gripen

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Uhh, The F-4E retired from ANG service in '91 (They even flew support and interdiction missions in Desert Storm) and in the later years mounted the AIM-9L / -9M & AIM-7F, as well as the AN/ASX-1 TISEO.

The F-4J/-4S remained in USN service until 1987, and the USMC’s trucked on until 1992, they were fitted with the AIM-9L / -9M and AIM-7F.

And the F-4G (Specialist Wild Weasel [SAM hunter] airframes, based off the F-4G) remained in reserve until '96.

There are more than enough variants yet to be implemented for that not to be an issue; for example the F-4B / (F-110A), F-4D, F-4E(late) and F-4G are right there waiting to be implemented allowing ordnance to be added, adjusted, expanded & refined to bring them into proper alignment as needed since what currently exists are pretty poor implementations all round with a mishmash of features from various blocks.

Further there are little things like the CL tank interlock that prevents firing a sparrow from the rear recessed bay if a Fuel tank or gunpod is mounted on that station, so it would need to be jettisoned first before they could be used, which of course wasn’t possible with gunpods as they were never mechanized for it, let alone which specific fuel tank (The 600 Gal tank we have in game can’t be jettisoned, the 370 can; if wired & armed to do so).

Also Early USAF F-4’s (C/D/E) would be restricted to the IR Falcon in place of Sidewinders so there is also that, though would have access to an IR Jammer(AN/AAQ-8).

They really aren’t, anywhere near their maximum potential, we’re still missing the Standoff ordnance (Walleye ERDL w/ AN/AWG-16 or GBU-15 / AGM-130 & AN/AXQ-14), IIR Mavericks, Shrike / StARM / HARMs, Targeting pods & SALH ordnance, and CBU’s. Things could get so, so much worse for tanks it’s surprising that they are complaining even though Aircraft are held back so very much, in comparison to IRL.

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Cool story, you must have forgot the context. They are powerful for the F-4s in Warthunder. The thing I was discussing wasn’t the real versions at all.

So having 4 Aim9s of various models (P/J/H) on the F-4s and two on the F-5E isn’t good enough? Let alone the aircraft with Aim9Ds and Aim9Es. There are plenty of options.

As already stated, the issue with giving lower BR jets AIM-9L (or near equivalent) missile would be to radically alter their balance. They’d need to go up. The F-5E might survive such a BR increase, since it’s already very strong at it’s BR, but the F-4E likely would not. The flight performance is only OK at 11.0, push it higher and you’re ending up in F-4EJ Kai territory, where the second something gets on your six you might as well just J out, because you aren’t winning that dogfight. The F-4J might do a bit better since it at least has a PD radar and AIM-7Fs, but still, you’d be putting it up against an objectively superior EJ Kai at 11.7, and even that isn’t doing great due to the aforementioned flight performance issues.

All aspect missiles aren’t everything anyways, just being able to get a front aspect shot means nothing when any enemy with the slightest bit of spatial awareness can just one flare it. The biggest advantages the AIM-9L brings are it’s superior rear and side aspect performances, combining better range, better pull and moderate flare resistance. It being all aspect is honestly the least of it’s advantages.

The point was that all implemented US F-4s can be armed as needed to fit their BR without producing issues as a move upward allows for more variants to be implemented with similar characteristics, at the old BR. Further this can be supplemented with changes to available ordnance to fit, and lacking performance can be supplemented with advanced ordnance or as CAS / SEAD role where appropriate.

The F-4B & F-4D are missing entirely so there’s no early F-4 with CMs.

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So now you cherrypick a quote and then try to make it reference something else? Also, I don’t really care about your point just like you didn’t care about my point when you quoted me to make that point. I have not been, nor do I wish to discuss things not in the game, otherwise I would have started there.

Well, UK doesn’t get a non-CAS jet with all aspect missiles except for the Gripen at 12.7.

They have three of the worst phantoms in the game, having the worst IR missile at 11.3 and one of the worst SARH.

Tornado F.3 is also 11.3 with 9Ls, but has a flight model worse than most CAS.

US isn’t alone in suffering.

Why was I replied to this?

Sorry, the app must have pulled you over from another reply. The forum app gets weird. Again, sorry about that.

Np, all good.

Simply untrue, both platforms did armed and used Aim-9L’s in real life.

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If consider the A-10/A6 result as fighter,… then you have one below everyone else.

Also 9L is far more superior missile than R60M or R60MK which is an Export R60M.

Every aircrafts lower in BR to use MAGIC-2 or 9L have terrible flight characteristics aswell.

US variants of F-5E or F-4E never recieved 9L/9P-4 and later, AFAIK.

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In different countries than USA, not in USA.

Same problem than F-5C flares,…

The F-4E did.

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Didn’t knew,… anyway : 9L/9P4 means a change of BR too ^^"
So i don’t know what is the best.

Both Us F4’s and F5’s armed All-aspect missiles in their service time which includes Aim9-P4-5 and Aim-9L, you might want to check your source.

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