It’s not a subtree, it’s a filler, know the difference. Subtrees have the luck if having a home nation and will be able to get all their vehicles in one lineup, this nation doesn’t
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Exactly.
the finnish 2a6 offers a better gun compared to the strvs and better mobility with the tank being lighter.
not asking for a whole sub tree just 1 single leopard for top tier britain
no it doesnt
i dont think france or italy should have access to leopard but they do, and in that case britain has every right to get access to a leopard aswell
weather taiwan is true china or not i dont really care they still have an abrams, but britain cant get one why? please tell me
1 variant. so bad argument considering its 1 challenger with a 1500hp german MTU engine and 5 challenger 2s use a 1300hp perkins CV12-6A engine and the challenger 3 with a 1200hp perkins CV12-9A engine
dont try move the goalpost. it has 564mm of pen being worse than the leclerc ztz/vt4 and t80/T90s.
you need a max of 2 shells to kill a tank but what if theres multiple to shoot hm? your ready rack doesnt replenish instantly
you names 2 12.3 tanks so not top tier and the leclerc having worse armour is much more mobile and the merkava is arguably just as armoured
3 very true claims which your trying to deny when you know its true
im not talking about the ariete because it was never mentioned in that way, the tank sucks we know?
started what? talking about possible subtree vehicles for the nation
Depending on how you have the Helmand Leo in your suggestion you could always use it as a comparison between nations when needing to modify a vehicle to fit their current environment, given they are nearly identical lol
This is definitely one way to do that, seems like it’s more complex than its worth
Idk we have swiss vehicles in Sweden which make no sense and then trial vehicles from bofors made for the Swiss but denied. Stuff is really all over the place
There’s nothing swiss in Sweden tho?
Me, I play the Finnish 2A6 over the 122s, better pen, more smoke. I’m dead if I get shot in the breach anyways so why not take the better pen and smokes. Also a camo that isn’t in 144p quality not that the Finnish camos are accurate to begin with.
Ush
I don’t remember Sweden trialing it with the 81mm rockets from the Swiss either, no idea why it’s on Sweden.
Additionally it’s a German chassis iirc.
Trinity and Triad are both more likely vehicles to get split between the Swiss and Sweden as those were directly made and tested at least I know Trinity was in Sweden as we have photos at Bofors training grounds.
Iirc that was jointly developed by Mercedes and some swedish company so that’s why it’s within Sweden
Correct it’s a Unimog 404 like the name says
Landsverk maybe but I don’t believe the 405 was ever looked at by Sweden or even tested there
Mind saying what this is because genuinely have no clue
Never heard it called triad tbh but yea that would be peak whether it comes to Sweden or swiss sub tree
Would be both if I had to guess. Though I’m not sure who led the majority on it.
Could be the Begleitpanzer where one group was just hired to sell the gun and didn’t help with the vehicle assembly.
No idea in this case either way I wouldn’t be upset at seeing it but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was like the clovis or DF105
Well Trinity is a different vehicle altogether and basically did everything in Sweden with bofors.
Tested, built, pretty much everything was handled by bofors but the vehicle was designed for the Swiss.
I’d say there’s a solid chance TriAD is in a similar boat, imo even if the Swiss had no part in the vehicle aside from selling the chassis id still like it to go to Germany via them.
They were never set to sell the fun for more export of the Marder Chassis and help fund thyssen henschel future programs what never worked since the German bund wasn’t interested
Was just using one example.
Besides you can read and see the bickering here lol for Trinity
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The french had no part in the df105 or Clovis other then selling the turret 🤷♀️ it’s the same situation but with the chassis both should come to Sweden and Germany