Next Major Update "Sky Odyssey" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

still no ESM on more planes yet is crazy, how many majors do they need to resume working on the feature

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Has AARGM-ER received any fixes/buffs in the last dev server update?

Probably like fuel tanks. We’ll see 1 or 2 per year now

not that i know of

General rule of thumb : if a vehicle of new generation comes in game while the current in game generation of aircraft still not performs as it should, you know there will be powercreep and unneeded mismodelling.

That’s what happened initially with Rafale (mainly powercreep) and EF (mainly mismodelling)

Trying to get something working properly is always far more difficult than asking for the next shiny toy though, i’ll give you that

To end on a positive note, Gaijin did a good thing by fixing early Fox-3s. The scary thing is : it probably means the next generation of missiles is coming to ruin the party (with, you guessed it, more powecreep and mismodelling)

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powercreep sure, but cant they just apply the new, improved fox 3 modeling to any next gen ones? it wont be 100% true to life but it will be good enough with some tweaking for each missile

Yup, that’s basically what I mean
Either they’re properly modelled, in which case we end up with powercreep, early fox-3 carriers will have a very rough time playing against long range AAMs (basically Fox1 vs Fox3 type of situation, or even worse)
Or they’re mismodelled, in which case it could be more manageable to face in game, unlike the amount of bug reports about to be sent to the mods as a result X)

Only countermeasure fusion.

Still no proper AESA modeling as well.

Meteor is actually F3R and newer. Only MICA NG and AASM1000 are F4 specific for current tested/employed weapons.
In game, I kinda expect that Gaijin will gate keep the MICA IR to only one of the 2 rafales, and then meteor for a new and shiny F4, and maybe a while later Mica NG for F4 as well.

Remember that they initially grounded an entire aircraft for a new radar 😭

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And even then it doesn’t always work great. Planes often continue dropping flares while SARH are fired at them.
Also when a fox 3 in terminal guidance is close, the plane also sometimes decide to drop flares for no reason. And IR missiles sometimes causes the plane to drop chaffs

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They could just notch, or even MCM

iirc J-16 and Su-35 can take only 4-6 PL-17 and R-37M respectively

I think people really overestimate long range fimox 3 in the current war thunder gameplay loop. Missiles fired from stupid range are and always be easy to defend against as long as their time to target isn’t significantly higher than current missiles. Notching is still immensely easier to do than it would be in real life, and multipath allows for a usually hassle free way to defeat missiles, keeping in mind that you don’t want the missle to fall from above (so, going sideways or away fr the missile works 99% of the time)

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True, the real advantage isn’t max range but better speed and time to target at long range. I’d imagine something like an AIM-174 shot from 180km would be about as lethal as an AMRAAM shot from 35km

I wonder if the RWR and maws just isn’t able to tell that the missiles are in the same 3D space.

Abrams is a damn shapeshifter tank with how the values have been changing basically every update. Also, can’t the Rafale only carry four meteors?

Jas39E in game is such a mess, later Gripen Es won’t fix its problems if gaijin doesn’t want to fix the existing issues

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Yes

One way datalink only as well?

Two-way datalink with the Meteor.

thats the thing

wing loading is much lower on the 35C
because its a much bigger increase in wing area than weight gain