To be fair both of these aren’t inherent issues with subtrees, but come from how they are handled by Gaijin specifically. Especially the Finland issue doesn’t require any complicated reworks or fixes, just a bit more foresight and player-focused decision making.
The first Finnish vehicles were added at a time where subtrees already were a concept, so Gaijin should have known that to prepare for a Finnish subtree in the future they should only add vehicles that could be spared from such a subtree as premium/event content before that. Even things like minor variants or named premium versions of the same vehicles could’ve done this well without limiting their short term profits at all, since without a Finnish subtree yet they still would’ve been unique
Space on the other hand does need a rework quite desperately, but even here the only reason space is limited in the first place is because Gaijin didn’t have the foresight to tell that even just UK + South Africa is a very tight fit in just one research tree. The issue could’ve been reasonably avoided even before the first subtree was ever added by just adding it the way many on the old forum thought of when it was first announced (as separate tabs).
Example
Thai Air Subtree from the original old forum subtree rework suggestion back in 2021 (around the introduction of South Africa) made by SonOfLaiti
If the bustle rack is the most convenient for the loader, then loading 11 shells should mean that the bustle rack is filled and the floor is left empty; however, as of now, the bustle rack is left with empty spaces with, instead, the floor being filled with inconveniently placed shells.
PRECISELY because the bustle rack is the most convenient for the loader, if you load only 11 shells, then THAT rack, the BUSTLE rack, should be the one filled; instead of leaving it half-empty while the INCONVENIENT floor is still filled with shells.
Yet, “not a bug” and I can’t even reply. Can’t they see that they are contradicting themselves? The bustle rack is the most convenient… yet if you load 11 shells it’s left half-empty in favour of the inconvenient floor.
This is why we end up not bothering or caring about bug reports. It is pointless when they are dealt with like this.
The oliphants are also incredibly good and I will never undertand the dislike for them. The Mk.1A is slow sure but its not horribly immobile and its one of the few 8.3s that is stabilized while having both a good dart and an lrf and the Mk.2 is just a great all arounder in general for a 9.3.
Im still waiting for gaijin to add the Mk.1B and the Optimum.
The South African subtree is amazing, most of their vehicles are good, some of them I’d argue are even better than Britains vehicles at their respective BRs.
I get why someone would dislike the South African subtree when it comes to it “replacing” British vehicles, but absolutely not when it comes to their performance.
I mean, this is the same reply Smin told me here… but, as I replied and explained, it just doesn’t make sense. But no one seems to have read my explaination.
I should have added it to the report itself, I should have seen this coming and been a step ahead.
Correction: They don’t want to read it.
I usually abide “Hanlon’s razor” → “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
But even that has its limits, which seem to be reached here as either multiple people didn’t read it (extremely unlikely) or they intentionally didn’t read it/misinterpreted it.
You made a mistake in the report. You said the floor shells should be the ones depleted first, which can’t be right if they should also be filled last. The bustle should be filled first and depleted first. The floor shells should only fill up after the bustle has been filled and only refilled after the bustle is depleted.
I’m not sure if that’s why they rejected it (they simply misunderstood) or they for some reason really don’t want to change it, but it could be the reason.
That was my point, yes. But it appears they really want the tank to be burdened with the floor shells no matter how few you take, leaving instead the bustle empty despite being in their own words the convenient rack.
I would try make another and make it incredibly clear which order the shells should load. Maybe use their reply to back-up your statement. Can’t hurt to try.
