Thx Stona
Yeah the fokkers are by far the best part of the BeNeLux subtree, and dream-self victimizing about actual unique future content isa really weird thing to do
Would I prefer that France get more French designs? Yes. Absolutely
Would I be happy with BeNeLux getting distinct unique domestic designs? Also yes, it would be far preferable to the current state of the subtree
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Day 1360 of waiting for Polish tech tree
How many days until you put your christmas carp in the bath?
That would be a question for my grandmother 🙃
Didn’t know BeNeLux players weren’t allowed to ask for BeNeLux vehicles unless they perfectly align with the wishes of French mains, atleast not with a dozen posts complaing that Gasp a dutch person asking for a dutch tank?!
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I will sign the petition first if you want to make BeNeLux a main tree. Until then, I prefer getting French vehicles to French tree gaps.
Another question, would Gaijin add any Renard aircraft if it wasn’t going to be modeled by an independent person?
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French players do happen to know a thing or 2 about self victimization.
Alongside overhyping themself.
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Well, yeah, I’d love to see that too (Dutch tt) and as a french main/person its perfectly fine to want french vehicles . It’s also absolutely true that France hasn’t received many domestic vehicles, and maybe that’s partly because of BeNeLux additions, or because its naval tree has received around 40% more vehicles than other nations, or perhaps a combination of both.
What I don’t like is that instead of advocating for a better balance, perhaps something like a 75/25 split between French and BeNeLux additions, the only solutions I frequently hear are restricting BeNeLux to a very specific pool of vehicles that have to be completely unique, not redundant and to fill a specific gap.
or the other one i frequently hear is simply stopping BeNeLux additions altogether.
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Clipped an important part there:
And am I passing judgement in that comment? No I’m just pointing out to people on Reddit that at the end of the day the devs pay more attention to the forums than the subreddits, so even if they have a post asking for more French (or unique BeNeLux content) on the subreddits, it may not come to anything
That’s why I’m getting more involved in the forums is because I personally think France should be getting more French content, or at the very least more unique content from a game play perspective
For example you point to a 75/25 split, and that would be much more reasonable than the 33/66 split we have had this year for ground content
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We’ve added multiple unqiue Fokker aircraft without a need for them to be revenue share
Simply if we know someone is working on something already, naturally we try to avoid duplication if there is a chance it can be aquired.
The point being it doesnt matter what nation or aircraft company.
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I just applied the very reasons you gave me for vehicles being C&P to it. Oh, it’s almost like the reasons you gave me can label any vehicle as copy and paste, oh wait it can.
We can ask tese ridiculous questions as you guys gave grounds for them to be serious.
Oh and this. The pushback against people asking for BeNeLux service vehicles, which only left the extremes left on Reddit.
Repasentaion is one of the pillars if sub-trees and majority (all) wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t.
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Guys i think we might be spending too much time arguing about fringe opinions on reddit that i don’t think are shared by many people here…?
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It’s one of those weird reverse funnels, because YouTube clearly has the biggest level of exposure, but (devs teams aside) least depth of discussion and interaction with the devs, just look at how some videos from, says Tim’s Variety can get ~30k views in a day
Reddit sit in the middle, I know @lolman03 linked a thread about the perception of the implementation of BeNeLux on one of the subreddits that had a poll with 500 votes, looking back it seems it was a post from CaID it appears
And here is the opposite end of the spectrum, aided by the ability to format comments and better include documentation, but in terms of user exposure some topics may only have 200 individuals tops
Also a small added caveat there that many people on Reddit dont play the game anymore and sometimes, haven’t for some time. They stay active on a subreddit for the community aspect or because their opinion may feel shared.
Whereas all 200 of those forum users in your comparison are active current players.
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As for why that part got clipped, it doesn’t change the meaning of the previous sentence, imo. What you wrote underneath is essentially a call to arms to go to the forums and complain about how BeNeLux was implemented (with, from what I’ve gathered, the goal being to restrict it to only the most unique or gap-filling vehicles and nothing else). I didn’t think that was particularly relevant to the point being discussed as the reason why.
And if you’re suggesting that we’re victimising ourselves, keep in mind that everything I’ve mentioned comes from actual discussions I’ve had with French mains. I could easily post 20+ examples of French mains victimising themselves in exactly the same way. I’ve even seen French mains victimising themselves over something as minor as not getting a new decal for Bastille Day, claiming it was proof that Gaijin didn’t care about them iirc.
But anyways, I don’t hate French mains. I’m just a little agitated that this discussion has flared up again (especially on Reddit, although that’s pretty much a hive of complaints and anger, and little else), with people essentially advocating that BeNeLux should be limited to an extremely small pool of vehicles because they supposedly don’t deserve the rest or aren’t worthy of them. I’d just like to see us get more than, like, two French air and ground vehicles next year. And now that the French naval tree has finally caught up, I can actually see that happening.
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Also worth noting that the “users” figure on a topic is not all people that contribute. For example here’s the figures for my subtree rework suggestion:
Lists 96 users, however far more actually interacted and shared their opinion through likes and votes. Assuming every player that interacted in other ways also voted, this is already 932 players. For other topics, especially those without a centralized poll, this can be much harder to identify.
"28 links" is also funny
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Goodmorning Smin, off topic but I’ve just posted a bug report about an esa radar tracking issue that’s been in the game for a few months now, I think it’ll have a pretty low chance of being seen and fixed so I just wanted to ask if you could give it a little nudge to the devs if possible, best regards :) Community Bug Reporting System
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At first I thought this was a Dev Blog for the next update and I was confused, hahahah.
Not like we will need to wait long, this period of the year is cramped! But I know it will take at least two weeks since the release of Eagle’s Shadow for that.