Because Germany has better CAP and CAS while still having Leos? Also technically SPAA
Also it depends top tier isn’t everyones reason for grinding a tree
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just wanted to compare the CAS capabilities,
Did the gripen even get any Harms or is the wiki page just not up to date?
No harms, only the hornet has them, Gripen did get a major nerf tho
yeah, thats valid then, eurofighter at least got 2, even if arguably it should/could be more
Otherwise i might have argued for a similarish cas capability
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Of course, I was talking about Top Tier.
Regarding CAP, not every Ground player goes around grinding full air trees to then spend 700 SP on a plane that can only engage enemy planes when a 90 SP ground vehicle can do the same.
CAS, maybe is the only reason why anyone would play Germany over Sweden, if they are willing to grind the entire air tree. Even then, a plane with Spices still pales next to AASMs or KH-38s.
“While still having Leos”? Not alll Leo’s are equal.
Leopard 2A7V = Strv 122B+
Leopard 2A6 < Strv 122B PLSS
Leopard 2 PSO << Strv 122A
Leopard 2A5 < Leopard 2A6
Sweden’s 4th best MBT is equivalent to Germany’s 2nd best.
It’s not even just CAS but CAP, your best CAP fighter is the Gripen which also got nerfed by a 1100kg weight increase meaning it loses to F16s in a fight.
So you either pull Gripen for CAS and then are stuck with a trashy Hornet(let’s be real the 14.0 hornets just aren’t on par with 14.7 aircraft)
Or you use a worse EFT for CAP with less missiles and flight performance and then are stuck with the 2nd worst CAS jet at 14.0 only beaten by your other 14?0 Finnish hornet lol.
Thank God MBTs are the only deciding factor for ground and SPAA, helicopters, and jets aren’t a factor at all in a ground match especially at top tier.
/S because you do sound insane tbh, yeah the Leos are strong but that’s kinda it? They literally have nothing else going for them
Thank you, I have multiple personal examples
I only care about 10.0 Germany, don’t care about top tier
I also care about only the R3 because it’s a meme tank and it’s fast, except that I don’t truly want something else from the Italian TT.
In the USA TT I only care about the 6.7 line-up and the Tutel because it’s a meme tank
And in the Japanese tanks I only wanted the 7.3 line-up and I also don’t care about top tier.
And Isreal I got the Merkavas only and only to be ready when they add the Greek stuff I wanted to be ready.
At the end I want to say that top tier isn’t everything and shouldn’t judge the entire TT by it’s top tier stuff.
I do tend to grind some trees past my original goal like Japan which I originally only grinded for the Type 93 but fell in love with the TKX and Type 87s and Type 89
Yea I also liked the Type 87 because it’s a nice fast rat, even if it’s not good I really like it especially because I can also bring the UH-1B that I also truly enjoy. It’s one of the BRs I will play if I want to have fun, because fast rat to flank+ good heli to rush= Fun (rare moment)
I wanna get into helicopters but it’s just too much, eventually I’ll grind them out but the module grind is too long lmao
Ground & air is like 50,000 - 70,000 RP per hour [more with a premium vehicle].
Meanwhile heli EC… 12,000 RP per hour.
Yea their grind in PVE sucks, that’s why I mostly play only the free ones and only in Russia I have done the majority of the tree
Type 87(p) is both my most hated and loved vehicle
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The is an absolutely massive stretch, since none of the French 12.7 tanks are actually 12.7 worthy in their current state.
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Sooo based off what Smin clarified…there is a chance the F15IA gets added??? Just Hope/Coping the 15EX and Su35S get added XD also…this would put to bed the Su30SM2 back a forth XD
Heli EC is just too forgotten for me to grind, especially for higher BR helicopters and with some vehicles shooting down missiles it’s just not fun
I hated the HVAP but when I got the APDS I started having real fun
I’m pretty sure Smin said the f15ia isnt coming because israel wont be getting them until 2031 and thats long enough away a lot of stuff can still change
I mean this is a lineup I have, now I don’t really play it anymore and I’ve changed my aircraft just for presentation here but, yeah the Leos are strong but that’s kinda all we got going, no HARMS makes you essentially dead and if you play the hornet you’re even more limited.
For a ground only mode it’s absurd if you like MBTs, (me personally I’d rather Abrams over Leos but I prefer mobility)