Hello, i come in peace
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/onvEu48CIOoc
i will believe it once i see it.
The promised Leopard 2 DM rework is getting to the 3years since the promise
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I’ve made a bug report and asked multiple mods to pass it and they ignore it, honestly at this point it feels like gaijin just want swedish 12.0 SPAA to stay trash for the meme lmao
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Gaijin wants Sweden to stay trash in general
and now be germany thats the worse leopard tree
Nah, just anything that isn’t a stupid 122
I wouldn’t go that far myself, but the Centauro II is still hella fun to play.
Doesn’t mean I don’t support fixes for it though.
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Even if 3 second autoloaded reload may be a stretch, I think 4 seconds is still warranted.
And most importantly; being able to fire after more than 6 shots because the loader should be able to load manually their own rack (5.0 aced).
Funnily enough, on my Reddit post, there were EVEN people saying that “6 shots was plenity until needing to reload the loader and there was no need for anything else”.
So… yeah, I’m not dying on a hill trying to improve Centauro 2 while others claim it to be “perfectly fine” and even “OP” xD
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I think that’s a lot of vehicles, there a plenty of bad vehicles that should get fixed but they aren’t like Elde or Nomads bad or I guess spyder
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Reload is still a suggestion. Strv 103 and DT are both artificially slower than there irl counterparts but that’s alright.
Isn’t the Indonesian Rafale a F4?
But its fine because the devs totally play their own game! and do NOT balance by stats!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… it will be fine trust.
Spoiler
I dont suspect it will be that much different gameplay wise as it would most likely end up with the same weapons as the current Rafale anyways.
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Don’t worry too much about the reload, when I was doing the various reports for the Centauro 2 during the Dev Server I searched everywhere for even a modicum of information, and the only thing that comes close to it are cut footage of the autoloader running that don’t give much conclusion. One day leonardo maybe will answer our question
Tought if they implement the loader + autoloader mechanic it would be great
What will happen according to French mains if a plane that they have for almost 2 years gets added in another country
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Well if we look closer,
the 2A7v is not the worst, still over T-90MA, all Leclerq 's, T-80BVM, … in term of k/d; above are all the 2A7v derivative, M1A2 Trophy and SEP v3, Type 10’s, challies and Merkava Mk. 4.
For the anti-air, the IRIS-T has the second best k/d and kill/spawn for toptier anti air (behind the Sky Sabre).
So the unsavable part isn’t because the toptier is bad, but either the lineup with not enough tanks (Which is not true, every nations have 3 12.7 MBT’s but USA and Sweden (4), Israel and Italy (1), and France with 5), the players doing too much 1 death/leave, or the lack of CAS (Probable, F-18 Swiss and Eurofighter aren’t competitive against Su-30SM/SM2/MKM or F-15E’s, … and helicpoter that aren’t AH-64E or 28NM aren’t usable.)
So what I see is that in term of ground to ground, the unsavable part is true, since the issue is the playerbase;
but if we talk about lineup, it is just suffering from a lack of new addition.
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Isreal has only 2 12.7 the one being mid because of the incorrect amour. And the other 12.7 is a 12.0 SPAA larping as a 12.7
The thing about Germany is that almost no experienced/multination player is playing it right now because it’s become boring with no additions in years.
Leopard 2A7V came in December 2023, as a FIRST counterpart to Sweden’s 3x Strv 122s.
Ever since, other nations have been getting newer and sweeter toys, but not Germany.
And now, to add insult to the injury, Sweden gets DM53 on its 3x Strv 122s.
So… why would anyone play Germany if they have Sweden, U.S, or Russia?
U.S has a better all-around lineup,
Russia has better support vehicles, anti-air and CAS too
Sweden is literally Germany, but 3x times better
So why bother with Germany?
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Meta top lineup.
Strong 9.3 lineup.
There’s a 10.3 lineup I believe.
6.7, 7.7, 8.0…
5.7, 6.0…
4.3 is genuinely OP due to the Jagdpanzer IV.
There’s a reason we should never take win rate as a measure of anything other than where the players are.
Is the Abrams being the most powerful tank for the 8th year in a row causing the win rate spike? No, it’s partly contributing of course, but the skilled players flocking to the powerful vehicle is ultimately what’s causing the win rate spike. It being powerful is probably causing an extra 0.1 - 1 to the winrate, though knowing for certain how much is impossible as team skill is so overwhelmingly what causes win rate [as proven with Leclercs & Arietes].
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10.0 line is Peak (for me at least)
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