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There are only 2 options:

1- Gaijin never implements SHARD.
2- Gaijin implements SHARD with the lowest possible estimates and values.

This chart represents Gaijin’s likely implementation. Sure, we can measure it, prove it to be 15cm longer and therefore penetrate around 700mm, but Gaijin isn’t going to roll with that when they can estimate it to be more akin to DM53 in length.

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On hand of what? You cant just trust a chart thats been made without you being aware of anything.

For all we know its a faked one.

so you have no clue

you know that in nuclear thunder you could choose between the normal WT icons and the NATO/ soviet ones

Fine, alright, okay, Gaijin will SURELY implement a 775mm length and give it a 720mm pen value.

Gaijin is notoriously generous with shell implementations, specially L27A1 and DTC-10-125, which are DEFINITELY not shorter ingame than they’ve been proven to be.

We can always count on them selecting the length that will benefit the shell the most :D

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Thats my point me stating Shard has a penetration of 600mm would have as much proof as your chart.

We might learn more once it is officialy put into french service. But currently its implementation doesnt make much sense.

For the same reason DM83 doesnt make sense

I just remembered- this chart was made using DM53’s penetrator length, so what could be considered to be a sensible value.

Based on photographs, the maker felt like SHARD couldn’t possibly be 20cm longer than DM53.

Is it possible that it’s actually 15cm longer than DM53? Maybe.
Is it also entirely possible that it’s just as long ad DM53? Yes, maybe.

Now put yourself in Gaijin’s shoes; what would they do, based on previous experiences? Go for the “safe” and lower option, or go for the more generiously optimistic higher option?

shard

You might got sth wrong from my point.
But i basicaly said its not even proven if it can penetrate 640mm. That was my point.

There just is no data.
They might as well give leclercs dm53, they are throwing it everywhere either way , with strv122s already having them, same with arietes

When Gaijin doesn’t have proof of anything, they just roll with the closest estimates possible.

Regarding DM53, I really hope not… giving it to the Strv 122s was a balance and historical mistake and giving it to the Leclercs would be a historical mistake too; I would rather have them deem SHARD to be a DM53 equivalent and implement it like that so that at least some sense of firepower identity is retained…

Otherwise, all of NATO except the U.S and CR2s will end up using DM53 lol.

I also think the Arietes could and should have DM53 removed as well. It was an emergency measure from back when they were Top BR; but now they are a full BR below Top. They could go back to their historical ammo choices.

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idc what the pen of SHARD is, i’ll take anything over the sadness and disappointment of a dart that is ofl120 f1, its the worst most pathetic dart i’ve ever used, i’d take M833 over it… Please gaijoob make leclercs actually playable again and i might play this game.

shouldnt the leclercs have a reload nerf at some point btw?

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Day 1259 of waiting for Polish tech tree

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Weird way to spell buff but yea

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They are probably coming next update. I think a gaijin employee just accidentally pushed the change to live when they were trying to test it internally lol.

Why should they?

They underperformed by a whole full second for years until they were finally fixed to their correct time not long ago.

psure the bugreport (and all other ones made by a certain person ) that got the reload buffed got flagged for review for using fake sources

also you cant really buff the leclerc´s reload any farther then this iirc

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VXbZ2I3Oaato

i saw that one yeah ive never found the source used tho

the other one that got it implemented was made by the person that got all their reports flagged

On paper they would, how they are implemented depends on Gaijin but that’s on them and not a lack of options.

I don’t have too much hope for the mobility considering that would need new mechanics to allow for things like regenerative steering and more complex transmission modelling than what we have now. That said I still have slightly more hope than for the armor that I didn’t even bother mentioning just because all we know is that it’s wrong, but we lack the proper sources to know what exactly would be right.

If they really want to have it keep up with new tanks the reload is probably how they will do it, considering reload is known to be a balance factor anyways (can’t be faster than reality, but is often slower for balance like it is here). The Type 10 can shave off nearly half of the current reload time under the right conditions (~2.2s for follow up shot with round cycled before firing), and still almost a quarter sustained (3.2s fastest known sustained reload).
There’s also an upgrade in the works with 30mm RWS and APS, so when the reload stops being enough that might already exist.

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psure the Type 10 would actively destroy is autoloader with that reload tho, same with the leclerc if it went higher in RPM

It’s not a trialed off-the-shelf product, it’s a unique variant made exclusively for Norway. Sure it wasn’t adopted, but that just makes it a failed prototype like so many others.

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