i was talking about ingame i never ignored anything and this also doesnt change the fact you were wrong in calling the challenger 2 obese when it weighs basically the same as a 2a7 and even less than it in game
i mean comparing the most modern leopard to the most modern challenger shows the 2A7V is 1.6 tons heavier, thats without the mine protection mod so I dont really get the argument going on here
me neither tbh
Hella strawman because the ingame Challenger 3TD is based on the 2019 version with base challenger 2 armour.
And even then, it should be 64t because the report that got it to 62.5t was made before the Challenger 2’s weight was corrected:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/TmfWqB5WGPMi
The actual Challenger 3 weighs 66t
I hope when the F-15EX/Su-35 trailer drops there’s a slow-mo transition scene going from F-15A → F-15C MSIP II → F-15C GE → F-15EX and Su-27S → Su-27SM → Su-35S, giving a bit of Air Superiority vibes, coming full circle with the “final” form of both aircraft.
But that’s just my artistic cope.
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dayumm, i’d play the challangers IF they weren’t so fat and ugly and slow and useless, but that turret looks pretty nice tbh. the hull is just so fat ugly and weak tho
Can’t wait for the F-15EX to be added in November just for 5th gens to be added in December and completely overshadow it. :/
???
Who knows, it could come in September :P. Besides, once the initial hype around 5th gen goes down a bit (unless Escalation is a full-time thing by then, where stealth would actually be useful), then everyone runs back to missile bus meta. In which case:
F-15EX:
(Speaking of what could come, has a vehicle teased in a decal ever not come? F-16XL where are you)
i think F-15E RMP is more likely to come before F-15EX
It’s honestly a toss up at this point.
The RMP would still be 14.3 material as it more than likely will only come with 8x AAMs total, EPAWSS (ie. +120x CMs), no BOL (Es don’t get them), 120Ds, and the usual AESA radar.
Yes, it will still have PW-229s, but I don’t think all of that is enough to warrant 14.7.
If Gaijin wants to add a 14.7 for the US at all, the EX is the only option.
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The only other option.
F-15C GE is hilariously under BR’d.
would it retain the 2 sets 60 small and 30 large supplemental countermeasures?
The F-15C GE shouldn’t be the same BR as the Su-30SM2 or Eurofighter AESAs. These would need to be 15.0 for the F-15C GE to go to 14.7. (Which I would 100% support, decompression is sorely needed).
The J-15T shouldn’t be the same BR as these planes either. It shouod stay 14.7 while the GE joins it at 14.7 and the rest go up in BR.
The F-15EX is the only plane that would actually deserve current 14.7 parody (or 15.0 with decompression).
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Why not? On top of getting 4x extra missiles, BOL, and AIM-120D, it can and does comfortably compete with these aircraft you mention.
J-15T cant be placed lower because PL-12A, even if it has next to no physical countermeasures.
F-15EX would simply do what the GE does + have CAS + better flight performance (in a straight line, anyways). It would be an upgrade, definitely one to actually consider in the “best aircraft of x BR” conversations, but not out of reach of the F-15C GE.
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The Challenger 3TD weighs 62.5 tonnes as it is not a combat spec vehicle.
64 tonnes is the fully loaded weight for a Challenger 2, the 3TD is missing a lot of equipment such as turret spall liners etc… as well as using a lighter welded turret base rather than the CR2s cast turret base.
Therefore it has the non-combat weight of the Challenger 2, which is 62.5 tonnes, as it is just a tech demo vehicle.
The production/prototype Challenger 3s are 66 tonnes as they have entirely new internal armour and other added equipment (e.g. ERA), that pushes up the total weight.
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that image isn’t even accurate tho as it literally states things that the challenger 3 has yet to be seen with such as an Active Protection system.
you can say what you want that its a straw man, I’m comparing the Challenger 3TD britains most modern tank in game to germany the 2A7V how that is a strawman I have zero idea
if we compared britain’s heaviest tank to germany’s then yeah the Challenger 2 is heavier as the TES / OES war kits encompassed the entire tank pretty much so obviously they are going to be heavier lol
even if we take the lightest figures from both then yeah the Challenger 2s would be heavier as you are comparing the 2A5 to the Challenger 2 which the difference would be 4.5 tons which is still decent bit smaller then when you were trying to compare the heaviest challenger load the heaviest leopard 2 load
In general comparing the maximum possible weight of the Leopards and Challenger 2/3s is a little bit of a ridiculous thing to do.
The Challenger 2’s with addon armour will obviously weigh a lot more as they just have a much larger amount of addon armour fitted to them compared to the Leopard 2 models the Bunderswehr use.
In terms of base weight, the Challenger 3 is a few tonnes heavier than something like a 2A7V. However, we don’t know if this includes the extra weight of the Challenger 3s frontal ERA which seems standard now.
If you fitted a Leopard 2 with the OES/TES standard kits… it would likely weigh in excess of 70 tonnes too (and the suspension would probably fail), as it just a heavier armour package. It’s not really an inherent thing about either tank, but rather the side armour packages either nation uses.
The OES kits are about 10 tonnes regardless of whatever you fit them to.
lotta yap but no gamble crates, let me fall into deep depression from 300 boosters already
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