more missiles haven’t made the F/A-18C more competitive, why should that work for the F-15C (GE)?
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The F-15C GE can actually go faster than M1.2, meaning it can actually employ its AMRAAMs.
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but it already has AMRAAMs
iirc it currently carries 8 of them
twice as much as Gripen and 2 more than Eurofighter
now you want 4 MORE AMRAAMs?
AMRAAMs are shit and the planes performance is shit for 14.3 so this vehicle will always be held back by amraams
It was proven to be on Su-30/35, not just 35. Whether Su-27SM3 can or not, IDK because I haven’t researched that one.
Beyond the double racks being able to fit, I’ve yet to find evidence from either the rack manufacturer or Sukhoi/journalists that prove SM3 can.
It doesn’t help that the document for the double rack predates the SM3.
Boeing and LockMart both claim all AH-64Es can use them, and older AH-64A/Ds can with a software update.
F-15C GE getting MRMLs will change precedent, that would allow Su-30MKI to get double racks despite being older than the aircraft the rack manufacturer cites, as an example.
F-15C GE is already better than the 14.0 Mirage 2000, and F-16I at minimum.
So those would have to move to 13.7 if F-15C GE moved to 14.0 for fairness. Which isn’t what I personally want.
The Eurofighter and Rafale dramatically outclass the F-15C GE in flight performance.
The Gripen is 13.7, the F-15C GE is 14.3
Considering you haven’t played very much of top tier air at all, it’s not surprising you don’t understand why the F-15C GE is in dire need of something to make it competitive.
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AMRAAMs are everything but bad
and you won’t fix the airframe by putting more AMRAAMs onto it
you already got a Newer Radar and More AMRAAMs than the rest
even more won’t fix this aircraft and neither how you use it
you can fire as many as you want, in the wrong conditions they’ll never hit
if I use rhem right even my Goddamn Phantom has 4 Guaranteed kills under it’s belly in form of an AMRAAM
you got no other Arguments than you’re personally bad, and therefore your opinion doesn’t matter at hand?
they suck compared to every other top tier competitor, they simply do not have the maneuverability to compete with the likes of MICA, R-77-1, PL-12, these missiles will always be fired at you from a higher off boresight angle and successfully hit, while AMRAAMs have to be fired directly head on, meaning you’re firing last and are in a worse position to enter the defensive
The radar is nothing special over the Su-30 or rafale, the missiles are worse than both and he has far fewer than the Su-30 and the same number as the rafale which enjoys the strongest missiles in the game
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The AIM-120s are the weakest of the top missiles for maneuvering at this time.
That is a fact.
This can be compensated for via leading to an extent, but that doesn’t change facts.
My idea was to put the Su-30s and J-15s in 3rd line and put all the J-10s in 4th line, with a pakistani subtree to fill the gap. Would make the tree a full 4 lines one. But Gaijin will probably just overstack everything into first line
And you’ve completely misrepresented what I said…
You don’t have the experience to back up what you’re saying. Your only 4 vehicles that can see top tier are the JAS39C, JF-17, Finnish F-18C and German Eurofighter, which is 98 battles total.
You’re completely ignoring or omitting the existence of the Su-30SM, which has 12x Fox-3s and a PESA.
You’re completely disregarding how utterly insane the Eurofighter and Rafale’s flight models are, which more than make up for the “lack” of missiles (they still get 8-10 max).
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There’s no room there, there’s a ton more sinoflankers to come there
no, I just disagree with you
I do not believe that theres a good reason for additional AMRAAMs on the F-15C (GE) as imo that wouldn’t fix it’s proboems
I also believe that AMRAAMs aren’t bad missiles, they’re just no Guaranteed kill like every other missile in game
chances we will see the CM post today?
Yeah I believe I said it in the “f15c GE not worth time post” but the f15c GE can not go down it would simply be to strong, the f15E is simply to good their right now, people only think of aircrafts at their BR and in uptiers, very rarely do they consider downtiers in their arguments regarding BR changes.
The real solution is more decompression but that relies on gaijin putting in heavy though with regards to the way the aircraft has to be played to be most affective, and how the meta around that BR determines a vehicles competitiveness, and I don’t see them doing this they will probably rely on internal stats which is not a bad method but it still leads to things like the f15E and eft being the same BR originally or the rafale being the same BR as the EFT or su30.
Also yeah the MRML is slightly concerning because they do set a new precedent, however they also caused the confusion regarding whether or not it sets as a new precedent, it can be included or not depending on which generation or variant of the upgrade for the GE it is, (not including the 2000 which was a separate thing),
By not stating a specific variant or upgrade time period like they’ve kinda done for every other US top tier jet other than the f15’s for some reason i.e. we have the 16a block 10, block 15 , block 50c, f18c early and late
They’ve essentially repeated the problem of the I believe f4c or e situation, (possibly was the a4 sorry I cant remember which US cold war jet.) where its a mismatch of capability’s that some variants could later on and some couldn’t early on. I wont continue with this because it been discussed in the other post anyways and it just kinda feels unrelated to the post here
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LOL its barely different to the 13.7 one, what a load of garbage
This is more a joke reply but it being not a guaranteed kill like every other missile would mean its bad in comparison right??? I do get what your actually meaning though
Personally I think its reasonable that we don’t have time period / specifc variant loadout options. Would introduce more copy paste planes.
The F15C GE will be getting sth new this patch either way, lets see what Gaijin has in store.
It’s easy to disagree when you completely ignore evidence to the contrary of what you believe.
As it sits right now, the F-15C GE is the worst of the 14.3 jets.
The Rafale is, well, the Rafale. MICA-EMs are the best Fox-3 for ARB in the game. It has a UFO flight model, and an insanely good AESA radar.
The Eurofighter is second in line with the absolute best FM in the game. The radar has been mostly fixed, and it still has a very comparable missile count to the F-15C GE, having up to 10x AAMs total or 8x AAMs if you want the maximum amount of Fox-3s (ie. 6x).
The Su-30SM has 12x of the 2nd best Fox-3 in the game, the R-77-1 (which is only beaten by the MICA). The FM also recently got better thanks to the improved engines, and it still has access to a PESA and 2x extra R-73s.
The F-15C GE is literally just a F-15C MSIP-II but with BOL pods (which don’t really help it) and an AESA radar. It still only has 8x maximum Fox-3s, and it has to give any of them up if you want to take 9Ms. Giving it MRML racks would make it much more analogous to the Su-30SM, still having less missiles but at least making up for the mediocre FM and allowing some flexibility with the loadout.