but you say all this stuff of how CAPTOR-M is such a great radar it can compete with AESA. also, Typhoon has better FM than F-15C
CAPTOR-M can compete with PESA and some early AESA. Like it was reported it was superior to the PESA radar originally added in the Rafale.
Given the fact we do not have CAPTOR-M and they seem totally unwilling to even consider modeling even 1/10th of it. F-15C with AESA vs Typhoon with Buggy Vixen would be such a one sided fight, the Typhoon would need to be a lower BR.
Full strength CAPTOR-M with the full performance PIRATE and intergration (which is unlikely to ever happen) could probably cope vs F-15C/E with AESA, for a time. But its unfair to deny the Typhoon its AESA radar for all that long just because.
Typhoons FM would matter if the meta was to do with Gunfighting. The meta is not though. I just had a match in GSB where the Su-30SMs on the other team just shot down every missile I fired at them and then spammed so many missiels at me it was impossible to even try and defend. Whilst in that case it was like 1v3/4. Even in a 1v1 I would have been hard pressed to bring any sort of FM advantage to bear
Also the FM is notably underperforming at the moment. Rafale has actually got the better FM currently.
Isn’t the FGR.4 an 08 upgraded tranche 1?
The FGR4 entered service officially in 2008. But Britain never really bothered with teh Tranche/Block designations iirc. It recieved continuous upgrades throughout its service and is still into the future. I think a few of the older airframes are being retired as they would need more expensive modifications to fully acocmodate the CAPTOR-E iirc, but a vast majority could be considered T3/4s at this point.
But other nations have recieved mid-life upgrades and end-of-service upgrades such as the Rafales AESA radar and HMD. So I dont really see the issue in giving the Typhoon a few as well (also strictly speaking, the Typhoon we have could be considered the 2017 version because thats when it first fired the Brimstone, though that was a Brimstone 2 not Brimstone 1)
Probably the same reason the 18C late is an 07 model. “Balance”
Yeah…
Though much of that “balance” seems rather unfair to me.
Like would EGBU-24s be really OP?
Or ePaveway IIs?
Or even SAL-Only Brimstone 2s?
Even beyond loadout. Would kill for proper Stiker I modeling (the HMD) as its missing a load of features or just give us Striker II which shouldn’t actually add all that much in terms of “balance” but a nice QoL upgrade as its a colourized display.
Also just adding the CAPTOR-M and PIRATE would actually give the Typhoon a fighting a chance at the moment. An official suggestion has been submitted for CAPTOR-E, thats just how bad the CAPTOR-M is modeled at the moment that we might as well just skip it.
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Yeah Idk personally I think the EFT should get shadow storms but. That’s just me.
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Cruise missiles become a tricky implementaiton. Whilst they might provide us some limited FnF ability. They could also probably destroy bases with just 2 missiles and hit any base, any where, even on the largest maps. The easiest way to farm anything in SB would just be to take off, reach launch speed and fire them before RTBing. Given the Typhoons climb rate with just 2x Storm Shadows and min fuel. That would take seconds.
it would be insane.
Brimstone 2s (even just limited to SAL only) would be the fairest option. Just mitigate quantity with the fact they arent FnF, but its unfair to nerf both the lack of FnF and the missile performance themselves. Havng to operatre well within range of any SPAA is really annoying when everyone else can sit at 30+ KM without issue
Idk I guess my mindset goes to is it much different from the KH-38 if we limit it to IIR?
The problem is that its only IR in terminal phase. So unless they just ahistorically model it. It would still need some form of IOG at the very least. Which would still allow for base killing most likely
Historically Brimstones are mmW.
Yeah… but you are forgetting Britain Tax.
If Vikhrs were MMW, they would probably have been fine.
Idk. All i know is the brimstones being mmW is locking them out of FnF. But other options like the spear and shadowstorm exist.
Yeah, even just Brimstone 3s and giving them 0 Drift IOG would probably be enough “FnF” for now.
But nope, Typhoon has to have a ahsitorically modeled version of an AGM it never actually carried (First Brimstone it equipped was the Brimstone 2)
ik, thats why i said this specifically
all this i agree wholeheartedly
100% fixed Typhoon. Yes, probably could just about compete with F-15C with AESA. But the likelyhood is, the F-15C is going to get AESA long ebfore we see the Typhoons get CAPTOR-M
well they were the 2nd jet to get AESA operationally after all. even before the Typhoon with CAPTOR M was operational :P
Kinda falls into where the F-2 is if you think about it.
Yeah, that is going to be DOA. Kinda sad actually
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