KV-1 already fake lol also japan getting something is a huge giveaway BUT, Britain getting another spaa is good enough to call it real lol
Now replace FV for japan with a 1.0 boat nobody cares for it id have to believe its a real list as only the snail would be so cruel to Japan lol.
G6-HVM my beloved.
If sepv3 is on there it’s most likely fake
Yeah, doesn’t work like that.
Usually they do just enough so it looks like they like Japan if you don’t think about it, while in reality it’s still broken messes, half-assed additions and a near complete lack of research, so the same as everyone else really.
It’ll probably be like Type 81, where the IR/EO imaging is implemented as Strela contrast seeker so they can pretend they added a mechanic “for Japan”.
Thai Hornet also would lack HMD. It’d be like the finnish Hornet, but with air to ground and maybe a bit heavier if they go for the two seater (all 8 were completed as two seaters, even those intended as single seat)
same as everyone else but with paper additions thrown in
You mean like the R2Y2s that are removed, Ho-Ri and F-16AJ and literally nothing else? Not really enough to make a rule.
I’d even argue since R2Y2 engines were made, and Ho-Ri prototypes started construction they are more like Panther II situation where they are wrong because they are inaccurate to the vehicles they represent, but not fully against the rule.
A real R2Y2 without cannons, wing mounted engines and torpedoes, or a Jagdtiger style mod-casemate Ho-Ri still fit Gaijin suggestion rules, same as a historical Panther II does. Many, me included, even want the historical ones to replace the current.
The only thing ruining the statistic is the F-16AJ, which Gaijin wrongly assumed had a prototype (though that was an unrelated US project), and which was only added because they vehemently refused subtrees for the longest time.
It could’ve been a very real early Indonesian F-16 for example, and hopefully in the future that’s what it’s replaced by.
So I’m sick of these vehicles being treated like some special bonus, when they hurt more than anything and Gaijin refuse to do the changes they need to fix these issues.
The real Panther II with the Panther G turret really should be added.
Ho-Ri still needs to be removed, same with F-16AJ. and how can R2Y2 and Ho-Ri be historical if they never fully existed IRL and worked.
How do you know R2Y2 wouldnt have just fallen out of the sky, especially considering its an early jet. and also, since YJ-93 engines, AN/ASG-18 radar, and GAR-9 (late AIM-47) were made and extensively tested, does that mean US can get XF-108 that only existed as mockup?
did the turret work though?
At least as much as the Radpanzer 90 turret did.
maybe they can make panther 2 and radpanzer turrets locked in position (elevation would probably still work on the panther turret though afaik)
I don’t know if it was functional or not, I was just saying that even if it wasn’t, it wouldn’t matter since Gaijin didn’t care for the Radpanzer 90.
2 ways to easily spot that this is fake: The most obvious one is that there is more than 1 new top tier MBT on the list, which is a clear indicator. Second is that the CV9035NL is already in game.
Then again, I wouldn’t complain if we saw a lot of these vehicles next update.
Agreed, I just want a historical version of it added instead.
Also agreed, especially since subtrees can replace it perfectly.
It’s by the principle of “unfinished prototype”, which is the suggestion ruleset and the closest to fixed rules we get.
While Gaijin is inconsistent and sometimes adds vehicles that don!t pass these rules, or denies those that pass, suggestions have a clear and easy guideline that a historical R2Y2 or Ho-Ri would fit (of course the in-game versions still wouldn’t).
But if you just ask how I used the word historical, I meant “As they were historically”, so faithful to the real design. This has nothing to do with completion or service history, just with not making stuff up or misinterpreting information.
I get this, but the very idea of “unfinished prototype” is already questionable since especially for aircraft, there is a very real possibility the aircraft simply would not work or would perform very differently from in-game version
I mean, if the prototype wasn’t even fully made and tested, how can you be so sure it would make it off the ground?
Malaysian Hornet, you mean? I don’t see why it should matter in terms of the game though, a combined sub-tree would have made perfect sense.
If any of those parts was vehicle specific, as in specifically made for the XF-108 suggestion rules say yes.
I’d absolutely support a suggestion like that too, since I personally really like the more niche historical designs that didn’t get as far, it’s one of my favorite parts of War Thunder.
That being said, it also depends on the information available, generally the less we know, the more Gaijin just make up. This is an issue I feel like most games have with unfinished vehicles, and I’d be cautious of it if there’s too many unknowns.
Well the YJ-93 engines were meant for both the XB-70 and XF-108. The radar and missile were originally intended for the XF-108, but after it got cancelled, they were put on the YF-12 (which also got cancelled lol, but it did exist, fly, and fire missiles)
But I was mostly using it as an example of what should not be added since it simply is not real
I actually mean Thai Hornet.
Thailand was a Hornet customer in the 90s, buying 8 airframes. Sadly before they were finished the Asian Financial Crisis cut this short, and Thailand couldn’t pay the missing 3/4 of the deal. All 8 aircraft were finished as F/A-18Ds for the USMC.
It’s a bit of a cope, and very much a sidegrade to the F-2 anyways. So more of a joke than anything else.