Is it always 6km-ish on the GBU-8? Anyhow, elevation gives you both energy to burn through in dodging missiles, plus it requires more energy from the missile to reach you. I’ve found a lot of good CAS players who hover near the standoff envelope they are comfortable with, and drop on people from there. Not impossible to engage as SPAA, but difficult, and requires good timing.
Again, players that have no idea what they are doing are toast. Even players that do, just have to change direction the wrong way, and I know my missile has a good chance. That’s more than I can say of any other Russian SPAA, even the 2S6 which is better than people complain post-nerf, albeit noticeably slower than the Pantsir.
MiG-27 is almost a solution to the high-altitude distance bombing, but again, no thermals/targeting pod makes targeting a little difficult (can’t fly semi-parallel), and smaller KG bombs give it less wiggle room. MiG-27 with R-60M’s is preferable to the Su-39, but neither are qualified to take on an F-15A or F-15C in the air.
The point is, Russia has effectively run out of Top Tiers by now.
Sure, they will add a T-80BVM mod.2022 with slightly different side ERA and maybe other minor changes, but… that’s pretty much it.
I doubt they will add T-14, since there is zero info on what the armor may even look like, so the only chance for future Russian additions is Object prototypes.
I thought there was a T-90M with 2A82-1M, but I can’t find any info about that!
I would have to disagree, there’s plenty of basic stuff on it, it’s just up to gaijin on its implementation.
If that were the case, a lot of top tier wouldn’t exist.
Also the T-90M with 2A82-1M doesn’t exist
Su-33 is going to be filler for the USSR/Ru. Unless we get a later model, we can’t even guarantee it will get the R-77. It’s heavier, and is not quite as agile as the Su-27 (in spite of the canards).
F-18 is going to be a turbo F-5, and probably cancer, but I guess it’s not important until the AIM-120’s are added.
It’s a related development to the Su-27*. If the sole characteristic one had for an Su-27 was to be carrier worthy, then the Su-27K, and later, the Su-33 (basically same plane, just post-Soviet) are a direct successor. Given the expansion of the Su-27 family, I see it more of a lateral variant, than a down the development path variant.
Came from the T-10K. Su-27K is the initial production name given to the Su-27K.
The difference is that the Su-30SM is both a multirole and an interceptor, and has TVC, a new radar, fcs, flight computer, reshaped LERX’s, as well as other technology gathered from the Su-35. It is night and day different from the Su-27. Compared to the Su-27K/33, the Su-27 just can’t fly off of Soviet aircraft carrier ramps (basically).
Other than a few late 80’s early 90’s T-72/80’s, of the few tanks left to come, I want the Obj. 195 the most. What a dream.
bruh way to fucking soon man , just to let you know , some of the passed to dev’s from 2018 and earlier haven’t shown up yet , so you can wait for that one XD
The same way the Su-24 is a development of the MiG-23, and the same way the Su-30, 34, 35, and 37 are all developments of the Su-27.
This does not mean in any way that their capabilities are similar, nor does it justify its addition.
That’s what I was meaning to say. I’m glad somebody agrees, though I would like to add that the Su-27K and Su-33 both have minor differences.
What would be even harder about the implementation of the Su-33 is which version to add. It’s gone through refits and upgrades throughout its entire service life.
I would prefer the analogy between the T-72b and T-72b (89), there are few differences between the Su-27 and 33, like canards and +3t weight, and L-150 after modernization ( no rwr before ), same radar, irst missiles and etc
The F-15C retains the same A2G ordinance as the A models. Depending on what upgrades they give it would have access to a TGP for LGBs without buddy-lasing. It also gains some additional Ground radar functionality.
Pretty much everything you listed has also been changed on the Su-33.
It has new engines, an upgraded radar, a fully digital FCS, and an entirely redesigned airframe, wing, airfoil, and fuselage geometry. As well as other technology gathered from the Su-30…
If anything, the Su-33 is far closer to the Su-30 than to the Su-27. It might as well be a 1-seater version of the legacy Su-30.
I think DCS has people lumping the Su-33 together with the F-18. When it was announced in the early to mid 00’s, it was rumored to be the most advanced Su-27 yet, so a lot of old sources have speculated things about it that never came to be.
When it comes to the F-18, the two planes are really quite different. F-18 can just come whenever, but the Su-33 is basically guaranteed to be an event vehicle unless we get a later variant. It’s phasing out of service even now, so it makes little sense to obsess over more than maybe one or two Su-27K/33’s.
I will pick a bone with you in saying that the Su-37 is a development of the Su-27. While true, this underplays the significance of both the Su-37 and 47. As a one-off tech demonstrator, the 37 helped develop the Su-35. It is basically responsible for a significant portion of super-maneuverability for both the later Su-30’s and Su-27SM’s.
With canards. I guess I need to catch up on the Naval fighters section of Yefim’s Flanker, but I just don’t see much coming out of either plane. Perhaps I’m a tad wrong.
So long as this happens, I come full circle to the MiG-29SMT with Fox-3’s or Su-30M cope.
There are a lot of differences, read my most recent comment just before this one. I mentioned one of my comments where I listed them, though that got swept away quite quickly.
As far as I know, the Su-33 still operates SPO-15, not SPO-32.
It has a different radar with a much more capable TWS function, and the missiles make no difference when those are standard across all planes.
As for this, I’d give that analogy to a comparison like the Su-27 and Su-27SM. The jump from the T-72B '1989 to the T-72BA '1996 would be the Su-27SM to the Su-27SM-2.
