F15 being 12.3 and Su 27 being 12.7 says quite a bit, if its about CAS capabilities, its good vehicles gonna get seperated BRs
Doesn’t the F15 have better CAS though
It has Tv guided bombs i think
Not matter a lot, since they dont have a targeting pod and the bombs doesnt have a rocket booster like the GR1. :trolloge:
Which is still missing ground radar
I am not as familiar with the F-15 side of things, but I know that the complaint is basically: F-15J is basically a non-AESA F-15C, has better missiles, and better flight performance… therefore the US deserves an early F-15C. Now while this is all an air issue, players who are far down both trees will take their F-15A’s into ground RB, and since they have good guided bombs, and a good loadout in general for more bombs, they can multirole quite well, and when piloted well, are worse to deal with than F-16’s.
If either the F-15A gets Fox-3’s (which afaik, requires a late MSIP upgrade), or more likely, an F-15C comes for the Fox-3 upgrade, the F-15 will have a competitive multirole loadout while also having speed and agility. It’s no JAS-39, but it will make the Su-39 look like a b*tch, and a Yak-141 isn’t going to do piss against ground targets.
KH-29TE’s that detonate half the time because someone is barely obstructed vs TV bombs (also have their flaws) seem like a fair trade-off. In terms of spawn points (SP), CAS with TV Bombs or AGM’s cost the same.
TL;DR F-15 getting Fox-3’s would be imbalanced without a USSR/Ru plane getting Fox-3’s or multirole status. Hence why I’ve been saying either Fox-3’s for the 29SMT, or add the Su-30M which again is basically the Fox-3+Multirole upgrade for the Su-27.
EDIT: This also brings the Chinese up to parity as the Su-30MKK would basically be the same model as the Su-30M with the same level of multirole and A2A capabilities.
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israel could recive the F-16I Sufa, the F-15C Akef or the Upgraded F-15A to C standards renamed to F-15C Baz Meshupar this last one was passed to developers in october soo… there is a high chance
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the Barak II is not an F-16C Block 50 is an F-16D Block 40 and when israel bought those F-16s USA at that time have an AMRAAM sales restriction over israel, thats the reason why israel developed the first Rafael Derby variant, when the pentagon find out that the Derby was a menace to the amraam sales the USA goverment changed his mind removing the amraam restriction over israel to shut off the production of the derby but that never happened, AMRAAMs sales restriction on israel was removed by the time Israel decided to acquire the first batch of F-16I Block 50/52+ the first batch of F-16Is came to israel with AMRAAMs. thats why i always say that the first AMRAAM F-16 carrier in the IAF was the SUFA and not the previous ones. PS: the AIM-7M and AIM-9M in the Barak II are totally innacurate IAF never used those missiles on them because the Barak II is a CAS plane, the historical missile loadout should be AIM-9L, Python-4 and more really more in the future the Python-5 and if gaijin decides to bring some kind of YAK-141 treatment they could add the first Derby variant to the F-16D because exist photografic evidence of that
it would be cool yess!! but i prefer a NETZ style for the Barak II to be true to reality just only IR missiles and really good ones. and let the SUFA shines when it finally comes to the game bringing with him the Derby, AMRAAM, etc. if you notice am really purist about this i dont want ficticious loadouts everywhere if its not necessary.
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The F-15C is pretty much A2A only (No GBU-8 or -15), it’s the F-15E that’s the A2G model, and brings more fancy standoff ordnance, if Gaijin ever model it, which they probably won’t.
What you would really be panicking about is if they ever revise the F-16C-50’s ordnance, or add the F/A-18E, otherwise its a US AV-8B+, or A-10C (late) that will be called on to nuke ground targets.
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with the exception of the israeli one that have ground ordinance because the IAF wanted to modified them to carry israeli guided weapons and some american guided weapons too
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Another F-15J? I don’t know much about aircraft, I’m just throwing stuff out there.
Could be added at the same time as a later F-15C for the US and Israel.
This would be fair if the Pantsir wasn’t already making CAS more unfair for other nations.
Russia is the last nation I feel sympathy for in terms of CAS. I only agree with you for all the other nations.
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How about that still missing Rank 4 US SPAA? Any indications thats going to be added soon?
I mean, I know that everything and its mother has .50cal there, but it would be nice to have something, so we wouldn’t have to suffer RP penalties with lower rank SPAAs…
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Not panicked, just confused on my end, based on how Gaijin deployed the F-15A.
My cursory reading says the F-15C and E are in fact intended to split responsibilities and that the A is also A2A only. My only real question is, will Gaijin give it the ability to drop GBU-8’s like A anyways? If they do, the F-15C is a problem.
If they give it the F-15J treatment, it won’t matter as much. 3 2000lber’s is the price of admission in the supersonic age.
I want to be more reasonable and suggest the MiG-29SMT, but it just doesn’t carry enough, while the Su-30M, admittedly in the current meta, probably carries just a little too much.
Okay. For the braindead, or less than proficient CAS players, Pantsir is an absolute monster. I’ve had 7-9 air kill games before. However, F-15’s at altitude, and JAS-39’s beyond 6km range are absolutely a huge pain in the ass to face.
I want to agree with you, but I can’t ultimately. I see maybe two other players per match, bother to spawn in any SPAA, let alone a Pantsir. Also, ITO-90 and the Roland family are both equally as capable for almost any situation. I can’t shake them in the ol’ Su-39 under 8km, and I have little stand-off weaponry that is quick to detect and launch on enemy SPAA. I’m learning to fly differently, but doing this in a Sukhoi airframe would be much, much easier. F-15C with GBU-8’s, should it come, will be almost as much easy mode as the JAS-39.
The multipliers are the same as the winter event ones were.
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You mean the F-15As that have to get within 6-7km to lock a target with their guided bombs?
I can deal with most targets within 6-7km with my ADATS and FlaRakRads. The Pantsir should be even better lol.
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Yes and with KF-51 specifically changed for export :)
The only change in war thunder will be you dont jave to keep your throttle at 95% to prevent over heating, you will be able to go up to 96%
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I don’t really see them that high to be honest, plus they should be a step below the AV-8’s because for some reason the UK decided that it would be better to have the worse dogfighter as the ‘Fleet Air Defence Fighter’
I’d rather they got shitty AMRAAM’s but were usable than have good AMRAAM’s but be sitting ducks, either way they will be sitting ducks but still.
Thats weird, i thought we will be seeing a premium type 90 soon, turns out to not be the case.