I mean… I’m sure Israel would be benefitted more from getting the very best tank in the entire game than it would be by betting some M113 with TOWs.
I wish the Merkava Mk.4d were fixed instead, though, but since that won’t ever happen… may as well get 2A6HEL/2HEL.
Did you not read my comment? It’d be an M113 with one of the best laser-guided ATGMs NATO has right now. Most NATO ATGMs ingame lack a tandem warhead and don’t have much pen, so it would he a huge help and extremely effective in toptier against vatnikmobils.
They can’t, because Brazil doesn’t have Leopard 2A4 tanks :)
And it has much more unique equipment than Greece. That’s why Brazil isn’t a nation in War Thunder. Because it requires a lot of effort, and gaijin are lazy.
Export Leopards? Ok
Merkavas RIP
Leclerc RIP
Ariete RIP
probably Type 10 RIP
Meanwhile, Germany watches the show from the stands.
The Leopard 2 is pretty much the European Abrams; no wonder Germany sells it like bread for everyone.
Greece has similar and even better than this
Yea it’s cool
But also Greece Cyprus have similar cool stuff like that
IRL, yes
In the game, that’s how they “fix” poorly modeled tanks: by putting Leopards and Abrams in every tech tree. For many of you, it’s difficult to be objective about this, for obvious reasons. Listen to the Spanish Avenger complain about the state of the Merkava for years. Now that Israel is getting a tank similar to the Leopard 2E, a “El Goloso” skin will be enough to make the Merkava’s problems disappear for him. The same thing happened with many other guys, in many other tech trees.
Yes, the Leopard is popular, that’s why everyone will get Leopards. Those who don’t get Leopards will get Abrams. Why fix the Challenger? Why add Chinese tanks? Abrams for everyone.
Anyway, my thought for the day is that we get what we deserve, I guess.
They would do it with the Leopards 1A5 they have
As?
LATAM should and I hope will be an independent TT one day, not needed to split it in multiple TTs as Subtrees
That’s a lie many of us like to tell. I read it daily.
Gaijin never commented on it, not even in the long term. Instead, he continued adding Argentine vehicles in Germany.
The best option for LATAM countries was as an Israeli TT. And that offered Israel much more than many other countries.
How many countries you think you could fit from South America to Isreal?
I hope after United Korea and Poland, LATAM is next
Most nations have multiple subtrees. Israel, in particular, needs several subtrees if you want to project the game for several more years. That’s why, among other things, Greece/Cyprus isn’t very encouraging for me.
3 is the maximum for now, and that’s why I am saying Singapore should come as the last Subtree
Seems you liked being given the same “answer” while no progress was being made in the conversation with these people.
Your solution to Israel getting low tiers is basically in a way extending the issue they currently have with the m48s m60s till top tier
(As if people didn’t already despise playing Israel for that reason already)
Cause that’s what I’m seeing on your image
If you can even understand what I’m saying
Which again doesn’t really fix Israels copypaste issue
Oh, good old sub trees discussion.
I hate sub trees, Israel should have got Python 4s and move their F-16 to Rank IX. We had ARH missiles for a single aircraft, single nation before, idk why better IR cannot come for the least played nation first.
The problem of Gaijin not modelling available Israeli SPAA or more lights won’t disappear with Greek Tor or another IFV.
Country ties should have been more respected, no to more 3 line Malaysia drops. And yes Greece is listed below some countries if we consider vehicle co-development.
And again I hate sub trees, I would hate my country’s sub tree too, you may love it after all it is still a representation (even though drastically reduced to a reskinned Leopard 2 / T-72M1 / F-16 )
It’s so painfully obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about and have made no valid points this whole conversation.
Let alone the only thing you have managed is constantly counterdict your previous statement.
Once more counterdicting yourself on how this would have implemented any different bud.
awhile go you were saying it wouldnt have mattered the subtree.
If anything they are worse choices when it comes to what Israel is lacking and less options it gets from stuff that would actually benefit the tree.
Oh and I know it brother, trust me I haven’t forgotten your good old tech tree project, it’s what inspired me to make my own after all. However I’m emphasizing the Air aspect specifically because the Ground Tree doesn’t need a Subtree at all really. As the owner of the highest quality/sized Israeli Air Tech Tree Environment (Caid still hasn’t made one), I (much like yoyo who created a suggestion for the ranks) know all too well how unfeasible an Israeli Air Rank I-II is comprised of only Israeli vehicles (You likely missed this during your hiatus, but people were asking for Israeli ranks I-III and a community manager stated not to long ago it is specifically because of the lack of aircraft optionsq). I ask you to revisit my up-to-date envisionment so you can see what I’m talking about:
Owh but it indeed very much does.
Clearly you have yet to realize why a subtree was decided was needed for Israel.
KVT, IVT and TVM all were used to develop the 2a5 and strv122.
We ignore IVT since it was ugly asf
Barring like maybe 1-2 vehicles pretty much every TOW carrying vehicle that regularly sees Soviet vehicles with ERA has TOW-2A and pretty much all of them are a far better platform for those BRs than a roided up M113.
The rat car with a TOW launcher would be cool i guess if only to have something that fills a similar niche to the Wiesel 1A2 even if it will be worse.
The only area it lacks in is early-higher end anti air. Nearly everything else can be achieved on its own. If you only care about uniqueness then look at Ofekks suggestion and you’ll see that, although most vehicles there are derived from existing vehicles, almost all of them have unique aspects to them (especially gun and ammo wise for those early ranks).
The same cannot be said for the air tree.
Still trying to claim the tams 🥀🥀