Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@AWACS Ghost Eye

Most are not neccessary

Everyone needs Strv 122/Leopard 2A7 counterparts… such as M1A2 SEPv3, Leclerc XLR with SHARD, some Object MBT prototype maybe…

The Leopard/Strv MBTs are several orders of magnitude superior than any other ingame, I can’t wrap my head around the rest of the nations not having got a single counterpart over the year.

And, as always, this isn’t only about the introduction of new vehicles; but also about the fixing of the already ingame ones. Many MBTs would be much closer to the 122s in performance if it weren’t because they are artificially nerfed, broken, bugged and castrated and haven’t been fixed after months and years of bug reports.

So when I talk about ground focus, it’s not just about new additions; but also, fixes of the ingame vehicles.

Give the Merkavas their armor.
Fix the broken mobility of the Type 10s.
Give the Chinese MBTs their spall liners.
Make the Abrams turret rings volumetric.
Give SEP and SEPv2 their improved turret armors.
Make TUSK II on SEPv2 an optional mod instead of permanent dead weight…

And a very, very, very long etc.

Another year without MBT fixes...?

I am once again disappointed to see that the Dev Server of the last update of the year has brought no bug fixes regarding MBTs. DOZENS of SIGNIFICANT bugs have been reported over the years, and even “acknowledged”… but it means nothing. There just doesn’t seem to be the… motivation to finally actually address and fix these bugs. Here’s just a very brief selection of some of the worst offenders; first, about the Challenger series- then, about the Abrams series, and then, about many other MBTs …

[AquaUselessGod]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Everyone needs Strv 122/Leopard 2A7 counterparts… such as M1A2 SEPv3, Leclerc XLR with SHARD, some Object MBT prototype maybe…

Hm…let’s take a look at the M1A2 SEP V3 and Leclerc XLR shall we…

same weakspots on the turret ring…allegedly also same if not marginal improvements on the hull…same US mains…yeah nah it won’t be as competitive as a 2A7 or 122, ever. M829A3 and A4 still wont pen the turret of the 2A5s, let alone the 2A7s or 122s.

now onto the Leclerc XLR, admittedly looks very cool, but same SXXI style hull…same turret armour…now heavier than SXXI because of all the new cool things on the turret, SHARD would be nice but does nothing to improve performance either…nope wont be as competitive, although the 5s autoloader will always be welcomed.

[MrFisherman1812]

M1E3 will save US toptier!

[ExecutivOutcomes]

I’m 90% certain next update is air focused annoyingly with probably multiple 4.5 gen additions. Maybe some top tier spaa though but not the trailer ones yet.

[Miraz05]

we already had a air focused update

[AquaUselessGod]

Surely! Autoloader is cool tho.

[ExecutivOutcomes]

Exactly just like last year we are going to continue the streak

[Miraz05]

I hope that wont be the case this time. We need more SPAAs, toptier is already ruined.

[AWACS_Ghost_Eye1]

Hornets would be confirmed, likely with Thai ground branch, and I would top up with Su-30 with J-11BS. For SPAAs, I would say possibly for this or the next update to feature ARH SAM system, starting with type 11 SAM or HVMS ADAMS for preliminary testing and gathering feedbacks

[ExecutivOutcomes]

I think trailer spaas will be latter half of this year. But there maybe a few additions before then (G6-HVM please)

[AWACS_Ghost_Eye1]

If you think about it, were yugoslavia to come the next update, thats rafale and pantsir in the same tree. Originality and authenticity has been discussed and its sure damn good as well.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

Well, first of all, I don’t get your point.

Are you saying that, because the newer additions would still not be as good as the 2A7/122s, that they should be looked down on to?

We should always try to get as close as possible to whichever degree is possible.

Even if these tanks still weren’t still as good as the 2A7s/122s, they would still be MUCH better than the options we currently have ingame. And, on top of that, they would add stronger spawns to the lineups, reinforcing the nations as a whole.

Leopards may be 10/10s.
And these tanks may be 8-9/10s.
Sure, still not 10/10s- but still better than the 6-7/10s that are currently facing those 10/10s.

So I don’t really get this. Now, to the specifics:

@AquaUselessGod

same weakspots on the turret ring…allegedly also same if not marginal improvements on the hull…

M1A2 SEPv3 weights 66.8 tons without any additional equipment (APS, ERA, etc- with those it goes beyond 70 tons).

I assure you the confirmed (not alleged) composite armor improvements wouldn’t be “marginal”… if Gaijin implemented it with the values available, the new hull should be able to withstand shells such as L27A1, DTC10, 3BM60, OFL F1, DM43, etc.

Not to mention- if SEPv3 was implemented with TROPHY, it would gain immunity to ATGMs such as those fired from BMP-2Ms, KA-50/52s/Mi-28s, Eurocopters, etc.

@AquaUselessGod

M829A3 and A4 still wont pen the turret of the 2A5s

Why would we need to pen the turret of the 2A5s to be competitive? Almost no one can pen anyone’s cheeks in Top Tier.

Speaking of which: the whole Abrams turret side armor and even cheeks can be penetrated at some angles. SEPv3’s wouldn’t.

@AquaUselessGod

yeah nah it won’t be as competitive as a 2A7 or 122, ever

In a sidegrade way, yes. It would have much better armor than the current Abrams tanks while still boasting a 5 second reload. It would still not be as survivable, but it would be much stronger than the Abrams already ingame, bringing them closer to being actuall counterparts to the 2A7s.

And even if it weren’t the case: as I said earlier, it’s still much closer than SEPv2 as currently implemented.

@AquaUselessGod

SHARD would be nice but does nothing to improve performance either

Shard can literally slice through 2A7’s current ingame values. Its penetration sits around 700mm, while the 2A7s currently sit at 660mm KE values.

[NER055]

Really. 2024 was really year of air. Time to year for ground

[StormRyder13]

I just hope my lucky streak continues(from near the end of last year) and I see more things WW2 (especially for ground) in the TT and not as unattainable.

(as the few non-WW2 stuff I’d care for are more likely going to be added in ways I don’t like or otherwise)

[AquaUselessGod]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Are you saying that, because the newer additions would still not be as good as the 2A7/122s, that they should be looked down on to?

I never claim to look down on the tanks, I’ll be more than happy to add them, but your initial point was “adding counterparts to 2A7 and 122s”, which they are not direct counterparts by WT standards. The Abrams has already received the reload buff to compensate for the lack of skill and good hull protection.

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Even if these tanks still weren’t still as good as the 2A7s/122s, they would still be MUCH better than the vehicles we currently have ingame.

I respectfully disagree, they are anything but better than what it is currently in game, the SEP V1, V2 and V3 for the game’s purpose will be absolutely identical in how to use and counter. Likewise the Leclerc XLR or any other tanks of similar make and model. The last big upgrades are over for current generation MBTs, the next leap would be the things shown off in Eurosatory and tech demos by GDLS.

@SPANISH_AVENGER

I assure you the confirmed (not alleged) composite armor improvements wouldn’t be “marginal”… if Gaijin implemented it with the values available, the new hull should be able to withstand shells such as L27A1, DTC10, 3BM60, OFL F1, DM43, etc.

You grossly overestimate the Abrams hull protection, the M1A2 series hasn’t seen new production in years and a lot of them are converted from the M1A1 HC and HA series for improvements.

[_Renzo]

@AquaUselessGod

Hm…let’s take a look at the M1A2 SEP V3 and Leclerc XLR shall we…

This doesn’t look like the production SEPv3 though.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@AquaUselessGod

You grossly overestimate the Abrams hull protection, the M1A2 series hasn’t seen new production in years and a lot of them are converted from the M1A1 HC and HA series for improvements.

So what? Composite armor modules can and are replaced on upgrade programs.
Same goes for the Leopards, etc. Tanks don’t need to be newly produced to implement substantial improvements when the platforms are as flexible as the Abrams and Leopard are.

@AquaUselessGod

but your initial point was “adding counterparts to 2A7 and 122s”, which they are not direct counterparts by WT standards.

As I said: even if they weren’t 1:1 counterparts, it’s still better to have a 9/10 to face a 10/10 than a 7/10.

[AquaUselessGod]

If it isn’t, then sure. It doesn’t really change my point about the weakspots and play style, it’s practically identical to the other Abrams.

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@__Renzo__

This doesn’t look like the production SEPv3 though.

Indeed. Production SEPv3 has so much additional (apart from improved) armor that it changed the shape and size of the turret;

@AquaUselessGod

It doesn’t really change my point about the weakspots and play style, it’s practically identical to the other Abrams.

These turret armor improvements alone would prevent kills and damage like this:

This alone would be a quite substantial improvement.

[AquaUselessGod]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

These turret armor improvements alone would prevent kills and damage like this:

The turret ring still in question:

It’s about the entire size of the Suez Canal.