Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 2)

[Morvran]

Has a compact F-16A radar

@lxtav

AN/APG-66H Radar (Slightly Reduced abilities compared to the standard model in game onboard the F-16As)

[DatCheesecakeBoi]

WAIT ITS BEEN PASSED!!! OH MY GOD WE MAY GET A HAWK… in 20 years

not sure why the non asraam varient is so high, its a subsonic

[BagPiper02]

Britain just seems like a proper home for Canadian SPAA I guess lol

The Skink (US getting the Skink is blatant lazy C&P), CANADATS, so the LAV AA makes sense.

[DatCheesecakeBoi]

so its basically a subsonic f16a but with cooler missiels

[DatCheesecakeBoi]

fun fact, britian made a adats varient.

[Morvran]

We could have gotten the Hawk at any time in the past 2 or so years. Crazy to me that we havent

BAE Hawk T.1A: The Trustworthy Teacher

poll Introduction: The BAE Hawk represents one of the biggest success stories of postwar British aviation, being sold in various guises all over the world, serving as the reliable workhorse of various air forces. [image] Background: The first whispers of a new jet trainer were heard in the late 1960’s. The Jaguar T.2 had recently entered service, but it was found to be too complicated and expensive in its role as a replacement for the Hunter T.7 and Gnat T.1 in RAF service. An additional probl…

BAE Hawk T.1A Red Arrows: British Superstar

poll Introduction: In the world of aviation, very little gives a sense of pride of one’s own airforce more than looking at a show, filled with stunning displays and intricate manoeuvres, of their display team. These display teams are essentially the ambassadors of the airforce to the local and international audience, instilling a sense of pride, as well as showing off the rigorous training the airmen go through in order to make such complex displays work. Few display teams do this as well as the…

BAE Hawk 100 (early): Britain's Bird of Prey (i)

poll Introduction: The BAE Hawk was a highly reliable trainer that served the RAF and many airforces around the world quite well, combining great reliability, with ease of maintenance, cost effectiveness and good performance characteristics. It was due to these reasons why it became such a sought after aircraft. However, by the 1980’s, it became clear that it was necessary to upgrade the aircraft in order to keep it as up to date as possible. This eventually led to the Hawk 100. [image] Descr…

BAE Hawk 100 (late): Britain's Bird of Prey (ii)

poll Introduction: By the 1980’s, the BAE Hawk was already a success, having already been sold in large numbers to many countries around the world. The Hawk 100 was a modernisation, intended to keep the Hawk current in regards to the technology fitted. This is a trend that kept going throughout the production run of the aircraft, in order to keep it competitive. [image] Description: Apart from training, the Hawk 100 was also capable of ground attack. The aircraft was outfitted with four under…

Hawk 200 Night Attack: Bravo six, going dark

poll [image] Hawk 200 Night Attack Hello! and welcome to my suggestion for the Night attack version of the Hawk 200, a prototype variant that replaced the Radar with a Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) camera for improved night operations capabilities, I feel that this could come to game as a 10.7 Attack aircraft to compete with the A-10 and Su-25. History

Spoiler

The Hawk 200s story originates as an attempt to make a fully capable combat variant of the immensely popular Hawk Trainer aircraft,…

British Aerospace Hawk 203: The Desert Hawk goes Hunting

poll [image] BAE Hawk 203 Hello and welcome to my suggestion for the Hawk 203! The version of the Hawk 200 designed to be exported to the Royal Air Force of Oman. I feel this has a strong precedent to come to game as it is a mainstay of the RAFO and is also the Hawk 200 with the strongest connection to the UK. History

Spoiler

In the Late 80s it was clear that the RAFOs ageing Hunters were nearing complete obsoletion, their airframes were worn and their weapons systems were completely outdat…

[XSpaz1NOuTX]

If yall ever need info on a Hawk go to Morv lmao this man is an AVID Hawk enjoyer :p

[Morvran]

Ironically, not really. I could talk far more about the Harrier, Tornado or Jaguar than the Hawk. Its an aircraft I dont know much about, which is why I linked to the suggestions instead of going by my knowledge, what I know is from reading them or speaking with their creators

[굴러온]

No proximity fuzes for Jean Bart’s AA. France never used it.

[Hyrikul]

@BagPiper02

Also the DF-105 is 8.0 :p

Sure but before that it was 7.3 for a while ^^

[Rileyy3437]

I’d play the hell out of the MKI with indigenous Indian and British missiles (ASTRA and ASRAAM etc) as well as the other Indian upgrades. At that point its just as unique (if not more) than one of China’s flankers for example.

[EnglishTeaKett1e]

What CN flankers lack in uniqueness, they will make up for it in performance though. Provided Gaijin doesn’t model something like J-16 incorrectly, it will be one of the best fighters for BVR.

[Shay]

The J-16 may very well be the best Flanker, in fact, and even if it isn’t, China will still get the Su-35S.

[EnglishTeaKett1e]

Su-35S will be more maneuverable than the J-16, although that wouldn’t mean too much for the air RB environment. A pilot flying J-16 said that his dream Flanker would be combining avionics, radar of the J-16 and TVC AL-41F1S engines of the Su-35S.

[Shay]

The PL-10 and PL-21 alone should make it better.

[EnglishTeaKett1e]

PL-10 is AIM-9X class IR missile with HOBS capability, I think the other missile is instead called PL-17 instead of PL-21 iirc, it is in the same range class as Russian R-37, but PL-17 combines both IR and radar guidance which would make it pretty effective. Although PL-17 is mainly for high value targets like AWACS.

I think Gaijin will more likely be adding PL-15, which is at least equivalent to AIM-120D.

[Shay]

@EnglishTeaKett1e

PL-10 is AIM-9X class

It’s a fair bit better, from what I’ve read, more being on par with the IRIS-T and Python-5.

[Smugspite]

lets be real it isnt super hard being better then the 9X im pretty sure most modern IR missiles are better maybe besides the R74M2

[Shay]

Is the R-74M2 even operational yet?

[Smugspite]

considering its for the Su57 probably not lol