I’m in the F-18 camp.
However, I do think we will see pre-order packs for our next independent tree.
That’s just the thing: The Yak-141 had extremely detailed plans and brochures stating exactly what it would and could use once it entered operational service.
With the Lavi, I don’t think they actually had gotten to that point yet. There’s basic info known, such as the avionics, cockpit, engine performance (though static), as well as some more basic weapons stuff (how many pylons, internal gun with ammo count, and the fact it could use at least the AIM-9G and Python III), but nothing else is really known.
That’s probably why it’s been such a headache for hardcore Israeli aviation nerds lol
Yeah, it makes it unlikely to come. I still wish it would. Israel needs stuff to really spice up its air tree.
If it really comes down to it, I could see Gaijin fudging some stuff, based on what the IDF had at the time. There also is supposedly a facebook group of folks that worked on the Lavi, so they might be able to help Gaijin out with that lol
Ok hear me out, a joint Hungarian and Romanian air subtree for Italy with things like the IAR-93, Gripen and MiG-29 sniper
(I actually just wanted an excuse to post sniper since its camo is quite nice)
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Yugoslavia with either a Polish or Romanian sub tree when?
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Pretty sure that’s CT based on RWR antennas
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so C-200s were never upgraded with the Sherloc rwr?
C200s were just the standard Cs upgraded with in-flight-refueling afaik so no other changes were made.
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I see there is a lot of Israeli things discussed here, I will take my time to try and find everything and answer everything but It’d be nice if you could tell me why had I been summoned.
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I believe it was in regards to the Mig-21-2000
There was also a discussion going on with the IAI Lavi, so if ya got any info on that, people (me) would very much appreciate that
people (us)**
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No. Imma say it right here, no.
This was a Polish MiG-29, leased to the IDF/AF in the 1990s, without any armament. It was leased for the purpose of the IDF/AF learning its flight performance as well as ways to counter it.
I am against adding copy-paste aircraft with little justification.
THAT, on the other hand, is a really good choice for the Israeli air tree. This was a CL-13B Mk.6 from Canadair, which Israel wanted to buy in the late mid-50s. Originally, Israel asked the Americans for Sabres, but the US had an embargo on Israel until the mid-60s as per the neutrality acts, so Israel went to Canadair of Canada. The CL-13B Mk.6 was tested by Israeli pilots, painted in Israeli camouflage, and contracts were even signed! The only things that did not happen were the money transaction and delivery of the jets, simply because the US convinced Canadair to not sell the Sabres in the end and they canceled the contract. Unlike the F-16AJ, this jet was ALMOST in Israeli hands, and would’ve been if it wasn’t for the cheeseburger inhalers.
Since in the end, it was not delivered, it would not be any different from the CL-13B Mk.6 in the German tree, except for the way cooler paintjob.
Here’s a couple more images of it:
Colorized image from “The Kabarnit”
Colorized image source:
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So another nation could get Canadian-built planes without Canada being the operator nation of the plane they built.
On top of the Sabers in the German and Italian tree and now possibly Israel. There is a Canadian-built Mosquito in the Chinse tree.
Heck the UK could get CL-13s and be the oprater nation.
This is literally the other half of why I want the CF-18 because the operator nation has to be Canada because there is no one else used them.
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Okay, let’s talk about the MiG-21-2000. This was IAI’s (IAI = Israeli Air Industries) prototype based on a MiG-21bis. It was an Israeli modernization program for the MiG-21bis offered in the 1990s for many ex-Soviet states that fielded the MiG-21bis. The MiG-21-2000 was severely upgraded: it used the highly advanced multimode Elta EL/M-2032 radar, had a major cockpit overhaul with new MFDs and a lot of changes, a new DASH helmet-mounted display (HMD), and compatibility with many Israeli weapons like the Python 3, Python 4, and the Griffin LGBs (buddy lasing required) made by IAI. Due to the smaller avionics inside, the MiG-21-2000 also had an increased internal fuel capacity of 3000 liters (the MiG-21bis had an internal fuel capacity of 2700 liters).
So why was it a failure in the export market? Simple. The wing design and engine stayed the same as the MiG-21bis. So while the avionics and weaponry (IAI also offered to make it compatible with a buying nation’s weapons) were 4th and even 4.5th gen, the flight performance was still 2nd gen. Hence why I believe the MiG-21-2000 should come to the Israeli Air Tree either as an event vehicle or as a squadron vehicle, just not in the main tree due to its great imbalance in avionics and weaponry compared to flight performance.
However the MiG-21-2000 was not a complete failure: it was used as the basis for the Israeli-Romanian MiG-21 LanceR, which Romania continued to use until very recently. It would be a good idea to include the LanceRs as premiums in the Israeli tree, there are better options for the USSR when it comes to upgraded export MiG-21s (the Indian Bison comes to mind…)
More images:
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MiG-21-2000 in the Paris Air Show 1993, showcasing the EL/M-2023 radar as well as some weaponry: a Python 3, an R-60M, and a Griffin LGB (yes it looks like a Paveway I know, it’s not a Paveway)
MiG-21-2000 cockpit:
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I love playing with many vehicles of many nations, and I hope Canada makes it to the game one day! I hope they won’t get screwed with copy-paste vehicle spam and the “starting at rank IV” bullshit like Israel was, Israel really did not deserve to begin from the 4th rank…
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If you can access it, here’s an Israeli article about the CL-13B Mk.6s and their whole story in Israeli trials.
If you cannot access it for some reason, I will just let you know there were even 8 CL-13B Mk.6s that actually received an Israeli serial number! 6030 - 6037 in order.
This is 6036
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lol AIM-120A/B dominates over R-27ER in every way.
You’ve been watching too much propaganda. R-27ER cannot compete against AARHs pilot skill similar.
@Shay AIM-120C & R-77-1s are equivalents.
AIM-120B & R-77 are equivalents.
@Dragon_Storm_246
There’s no need to insult people that criticize Russian equipment & evaluate it equally.
Russia didn’t develop more advanced AARHs than USA.