I honestly can’t see the F-4F/ICE being more than 12.0, tops
The only things it’ll have over the other Phantoms in-game are the radar from a Hornet, AMRAAMs, and AIM-9Lis
12.0 is what I think, also, however since the top BR is a blackhole, it may as well be at it until the top BR is moved to 13.3, and I hope I don’t have to explain why that will be quite a while.
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It’s just a phantom with AIM-120’s. Also 90 countermeasures isn’t even a lot, and the airframe itself is very mid. Even if it was added now it would be a meh plane. The only way I could see it being impressive is if they give it later Aim-120’s than other nations
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If you think F-4F ICE is going to suffer, then you also think Mig-29SMT will suffer when it gets R-77s.
Just saying.
I have the same issue but the chat comes back after playing a few matches
You can’t compare F4 ICE to MiG 29SMT. F4 ICE still has the same old airframe which is inferior to SMT’s airframe.
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The F-4F ICE is a Phantom. The MiG-29SMT is a MiG-29. They are not comparable. On top of that, the MiG-29SMT even without R-77s has better missiles than what the F-4F ICE will have.
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lol Here’s the thing, F-4F engines are good from static to speed.
On a 14000kg chassis with 6000kg of fuel.
Mig-29SMT has lower static thrust than F-4F, and slightly more at-speed thrust than F-4F… on a 12000+kg chassis with 5600kg of fuel.
Similar amount of countermeasures too.
So yes, they are comparable. @Shay
Also no, F-4F will have AIM-9M/Lis which are what we have now. Not worse than what Mig-29SMT has.
Mig-29SMT doesn’t need you defending it, it’s not as great as you’re portraying.
In the nicest, most respectful may possible: you have no idea what you are talking about.
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lol Except I do.
I only speak on topics I studied, I have more F-4s spaded than most.
I flew Mig-29s a lot, and am avoiding Mig-29SMT because my Phantoms does its job and I want an F-15 equivalent Mig-29.
I have 10 tech trees for a reason.
You are avoiding the MiG-29SMT not because of its performance, but because of how you perceive its performance. It’s no F-16, but it’s still far better than a Phantom.
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Still F4F will have worse maneuverability, bigger turning radius.
Comparing thrust wont do anything. There are many jets that have better twr than SMT but they have much worse maneuverability.
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smt is my beloved that 90° radar is insane
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On top of that, AIM-120A/Bs are asymmetrical equivalents to the R-27ER, not the R-77, and the R-73 is in general better than the AIM-9M and Li.
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True. R-73 may have a worse IRCCM but thrust vectoring can be considered as a compensation for that.
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Mig-29SMT is a platform carried by its missiles, and I don’t want that without ARHs.
AARHs are the only things that can made eh airframes perform amazingly.
AMRAAMs are far superior to all R-27s ever made.
There is no AMRAAM made that is on-par with R-27ER, they’re all superior. Beside the fact we’re going straight to B and possibly C to be equivalent to PL12.
Your defense of the Soviet tech tree is propaganda.
@Miraz05
F-4F wins against Mig-29SMTs as is missiles uninstalled.
Oh look, my take.
literally dont get close to an r73 capable plane and lob a 9m at it and you win
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The MiG-29SMT is a good but not great platform with amazing missiles that has an equivalent (the F-16C bl 50) with a great platform and good but not great missiles.
As for the AMRAAM, the A/B is basically just an ARH AIM-7M. The R-27ER is faster and has better range and acceleration, on top of data link and inertial guidance. The AIM-120A/B is an asymmetrical equivalent to the R-27ER.
You are also completely ignoring the radar and HMD that the MiG-29SMT has.
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I don’t think 120 A/B are superior than R 27ER. Yes they have ARH capability but R-27 ER has better performance.
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