Brazil has more than Argentina.
No, they are not. Please learn what a sub tree is.
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While true, I do understand why he’d put Argentina ahead of Brazil.
It’s Argentina with the more unique aviation for example.
I find that they would likely function best as a shared tree rather than one country serving the other.
User @el_Argentino has convinced me of the ABC concept recently that he could better explain than I could, where the idea is to make a shared tree between Argentina, Brazil and Chile on historical basis.
Usually I’d argue that the timeframes involved are beyond the scope of War Thunder, but when it comes to representation for South-America I’d rather take that than nothing.
Perhaps Cuba could function as a fun sub-tree there? In modern history it doesn’t exactly fit entirely with the nations mentioned, but I figure it would be better for them to be in a more “local” tree (in very loose terms considering the absolute scale of the continent and distances involved) than for them to be implemented in the already huge and still not lacking for options USSR.
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Not in terms of indigenous planes, and I am an air main, hence why I phrased it like I did. They can be swapped anyway.
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A South American tree with Brazil as the “head” nation would be best, in my opinion.
I used to subscribe to that notion, but considering that there is such a clear core and periphery when it comes to unique equipment the nations could provide I find that it wouldn’t even be honest to call it a proper South American tree.
Might as well stop pretending at that point and add the occasional Venezuelan or whatever as a premium then.
Venezuela is a South American nation, so of course its vehicles would go in South American trees.
What I mean is that nations such as Columbia, Peru and Venezuela could all provide something but not enough to really warrant a rebranding of the tree to a “shared union” of sorts like the (poor) Eastern-European concept would, where all member states have plenty of meaningful things to add.
The trees would have vehicles from all nations that have something to give, with no nation being relegated to a sub nation, and thus it would be a South American tree, regardless of how much or little any one nation has to give.
That would be a difference in values then, as I find that it is nicer to point to a “central state” that would represent the tree with all else attached, unless the tree is in large part evenly and meaningfully distributed with members.
Arguably ironic, considering that I am a supporter of the Benelux concept despite Luxembourg being a worthless attachment to that tree. It’s really just Bene.
It 's incorrect:
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Subtrees are when a nation is added exclusively to a techtree which is not named after them. This is also how Norway, Denmark et al. are part of Sweden 's subtree despite there not being plans to make their vehicles freely researchable https://youtu.be/2GPyb0U-29c?t=1720
As for Romania specifically:
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“or they have been predesignated for those tree”
They do not have sub trees.
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“with Brazil as the “head” nation”
So exactly what I said, then.
If they don’t give Majors a sub tree then yes this is the most likely out come
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None of this disproves my points on what a sub-tree is.
Just because a nation’s vehicles tend to go in one place still does not make them sub-trees.
Yes, it is obvious where Danish and Norwegian stuff goes for example, but this still does not make them sub-trees unless Gaijin officially states so.
The same is for Romania: Italy being a “home for minor axis nations” does not mean that Romania is a sub-tree for Italy.
None of these statements you post have Smin saying that any of the mentioned nations are sub-trees. He literally stated in the first screenshot that you shared "Vehicles that… generally have them because they have those sub branches OR they have been predesignated for those trees.
Additionally, these statements (and in particular that in relation to Italy and Romania) have been made years ago.
For someone who has as much time in the game as you do, you should know that Gaijin’s plans change all the time. Remember when it was explicitly stated that air-to-air missiles wouldn’t be added? Or anything larger than destroyer size for naval? Or independent Israel?
Yet this all matters little, for user Bristees simply stated what he either thinks and/or wants in the future.
This does not have to be rooted in fact, regardless of whether it is a sensible or stupid idea.
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With this I particularly meant just having a Brazilian flag and labelling it a Brazil (for example) rather than pretending it is much more than that.
I believe we don’t have to argue over such minor points though, as we practically believe in the same thing with minor nuances in between.
Not really worth causing a divide over.
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So if a Czechoslovakia tree is the most likely to be the next nation then how will Slovakia work ?
As that too was part of the axis well and a puppet
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Much the same for Croatia in the Yugoslav question.
Or hell, the Netherlands in the Benelux question xd
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The same way Serbia and Croatia would for hypothetical Yugoslav trees.
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Not necessarily Serbia, there are some nuances there when it comes to how the region was governed, but I guess that isn’t really a conversation to be had here.