Maybe they worry adding LMM to the HVM would over‑power it, yet right now it’s pretty bad at everything except shooting down helicopters.
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Yep
If they are worried about it increasing its BR, just drop it down to 9.7 where it should actually be first
Historically, tech demos have only been added when no production/service alternatives were available.
Germany has plenity of service and production variants available as to not require prototypes and demonstrators, in my opinion. 2A8 would be a nice start!
Also, Leopard 2A7 wasn’t a prototype; it was the main Leopard comprehensive modernization standard and upgrade effort for existing older Leopard 2 variants between 2014 and 2021.
Soooooo like Germany and not having any tanks comparable to strv122s armour.
Name some that are better then 2a7V or 122. Or equal to them.
Started on the 9th of August, idk for how long
All this “Leo2A8 when?” is getting old… when will they make Leo2A9?
2a7V with trophy. Wow 1 tank that’s better so Sweden again would have 3X as many tanks and them still being better as they would get a 2a8 too. So again where are the German tech demos for competition.
In any case, I didn’t advocate entirely against demonstrators or prototypes; I just think they should FIRST focus on actual production vehicles, and THEN, continue filling out with the former.
I mean, I’m the first sucker for EMBT (2022), hahahahah. I would kill for France and Germany to get this thing.
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How about adding lineups and competitive tanks ffs. Yes the 2a6ma3 is cool. It’s useless. 2a7a1 yes Is cool. Also useless so again Germany needs tanks that are equal to 2a7V/better like the 2a7+ and the 2a6EXs what’s the actual point of adding 2a8 when the issues in Germany come from a lack of lineups. We have 1 12.7 (no the 2a6 isn’t a 12.7) add 2a8 we have 2. That’s a amazing lineup isn’t it followed by a 2a5 a 2a6 and the PSO what is there the only good tank after.
WHAT!? I’m sorry, but I can’t take seriously a comment stating that a Leopard 2A7A1 would be “useless”…
Third gen thermals, 652mm of pen, extraordinary Leopard turret, spall liner coated fighting compartment, Trophy APS… “useless”…?
It’s also worth mentioning that all 2A7s have wrong armor ingame; they have the armor of Leopard 2E/2A6HEL, as in 2A6+add-on; when the BASE armor should be better, at about 550mm KE, but that’s another matter.
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Germany has had several of their experimental Leopards added. Like the TURM III, Leopard 2AV and PT-16/T14 mod added. We dont rule out more being possible in the future.
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It would be. You have trophy for a worse overall tank. It would be very nice too see but again it doesn’t solve or really help the issue lack of competitive tanks again like what the 122s are. WHAT THERE ARE 3X AS MANY.
How about more Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger? :3
Irrelevant when your hull could be penned without issue.
Don’t forget Leopard 2 PSO!
And I’m all for them; I just think they are better off as event/premium vehicles and to fill out gaps/niches when no production variants are available.
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Again like Germany and it’s lack again of competitive Leo’s.
Then I guess all Abrams tanks are “useless” too, actually, even more “useless” than the Leopards, since they all have even worse hulls than any Leopard?
We can begin with 2A8… or do you just want Germany to get 2A8, both Revolutions, 2A6EX and 2A7+ in the same update?
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Why are people fixed calling it 2A6HEL??? It’s just 2HEL, I don’t see anyone calling the 2E, 2A6E
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But you have a actual lineup of them. And a light tank option. And you cant pen Abrams ufp you would pen 2a7a1s as its missing the main armour.