Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

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5217

i think we have enough sukhois in game for now give us the mig35, however something i think they should do is give the su27SM r77-1 and move it to 14.0 and then move the premium su30 to 13.7

Su-27SM cannot use R-77-1, only SM3 can.

from what i know isnt it just

  • Incorrect missile count. (from the TotallyRealTM dual racks)
  • Incorrect radar, should be N011M-R instead N035. (Funny thing, Gaijin still have it named “N035E”… as in the export variant…)
  • It’s lacking countermeasures (like 14 or something idr) alongside this the model is still incorrect.
  • It was added with entirely wrong engines, due to recent developments I believe a handful of 30SM2’s might’ve finally gotten them but I’m not sure.
  • A decent handful of it’s loadouts are just flat out fictional but that’s an issue on 34/30SM as well.

And because why not

  • The Su-30SM/SM2 platforms are still overpreforming since they’re lighter than they should be iirc. (it’s like 500kg diff iirc but whatever)
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5218

the only difference between the Su-27SM ingame and the Su-27SM3 is that the SM3 gets 2 extra pylons

the slightly different 3D model dosent matter for WT

5219

the Su-27SM ingame has the N001VEP the same radar that the SM3 uses
and overall the same avionics as it

5220

the only difference between the Su-27SM ingame and the Su-27SM3 is that the SM3 gets 2 extra pylons

Additional pylons and it’s slightly heavier, access to better ECM pods when the time comes, etc.

If gaijin wanted they could give it KAB-500S and Kh-59M since it did use them in tests.

the Su-27SM ingame has the N001VEP the same radar that the SM3 uses
and overall the same avionics as it

The WCS was specifically modified between SM to SM3 to allow use of R-77-1, SM cannot use R-77-1.

5221

what i meant is they change the name from SU-27SM to SU-27SM3 give it R77-1 and move it to 14.0-14.3

which yes is probably a stupid idea

5222

why tho, what the reason
because the Su-27SM uses the same fire controll system with the N001VEP as the SM3

5223

Personally I’d just prefer being able to use both, even if one is copy paste, but that’s nothing new these days.

why tho, what the reason

I just gave it to you.

because the Su-27SM uses the same fire control system with the N001VEP as the SM3

The radar is not the entire fire control system. There’s code that needs to be edited or added to integrate weaponry properly. It’s why F-35’s integration of Meteor has been taking ages.

As mentioned above, N001VEP’s WCS needed changes to utilize R-77-1, Su-27SM lacks said changes while Su-27SM3 has them.

5224

a software update

so how can you be sure that no Su-27SM ever recived that update, especially since its litterally the same radar as the SM3 and thus uses the same code

ontop of that its not like the r-77 and r-77-1 are vastly different missiles in their design

5225

if they do add the sm3 it should be a folder vehicle with the sm

just like how the mig 29 9-13 and the 9-15 should be foldered and the su30sm and sm2 should be foldered

5226

but foldering stuff would make the grind too easy

we cant have that, can we?

5227

Then take some APCR shells. Those have enough penetration and the front of the Tiger II earlies turret is flat enough to not cause shattering.

I swear its very rewarding seeing Tiger players fume about getting frontally penned by a US 75 because literally everyone and their mother keep forgetting APCR is a thing and is excellent at dealing with Tiger flat plates.

5228

so how can you be sure that no Su-27SM ever recived that update, especially since its litterally the same radar as the SM3 and thus uses the same code

Because Su-27SM3s were made from Su-27SMs and other stockpiled airframes? Why would they apply one upgrade from SM3 without just making it a full SM3… Anyways, if you wanna go into “What if’s” be my guest but I won’t entertain them.

ontop of that its not like the r-77 and r-77-1 are vastly different missiles in their design

They are rather different however… Different motor, different guidance section, different seeker… for my tastes, that’s pretty different missile compared to R-77.

And about the top part, just because Su-27SM3 was planned to be equipped with R-37M, R-74M, Kh-59M and KAB-500S, does not mean Su-27SM would be capable of using said weapons if SM3 got them.

5229

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lol, is the spyder the worst vehicle ingame by player ratings? yea continue to ignore the bug reports gaijin, add 2 more spaa’s to russia

5230

Played the swiss mirage. Trees need more mirages.

Greek sub tree is going to have a small positive edge I suppose

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5231

the grind is way to difficult as it is

oh you just spent 2 days grinding a typhoon with a mechanical radar for 400k rp

spend another 2 days grinding another typhoon with an aesa radar and spice bomb for another 400k rp

5232

I’d love for more modernized Mirages.

MF2000, ROSE IV, 50EV, and whatever else would be cool.

5233

what i want is a mirage 4000 with micas even though it may not be completely realistic it did have the technical capability

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5234

Any source to back that up? Not that we can’t trust a random drawing, but we actually can’t

5235

Yeah so why would they upgrade the N001VE to the N001VEP, if they could have just turned it into a Sm3

5236

N001VEP page mentions RVV-SD for an modernization update later on, im assuming the SM3 only got those as part of the SM3 upgrade package since that is what has been reported most times

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