Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

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8967

Turm 3 mains have life too good

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8968

What has Gaijin done this time?

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Oh cool they moved down the L-39ZA

8969

SO is this all for the next major update??? Like everything?

Datamine

2.53.0.72 → 2.53.0.73

  • Air AB:
    • DB-LK: 2.0 → 2.7
    • Yak-30D: 9.0 → 8.7
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • F-104S/ASA: 12.0 → 11.7
    • F-16A-5 (Squadron 115) (“Mod”), F-16A-10 [ISR]: 12.7 → 12.3
    • F-15A [ISR], F-15A MSIP, F-15J, F-16A-15 [FRA]: 13.0 → 12.7
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 14.3
    • Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], F-2000A (P4E), Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R), Su-30SM2, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): 14.3 → 14.7
  • Air RB:
    • Potez 633-B2: 1.7 → 1.3
    • MB-326K: 7.0 → 7.3
    • Yak-30D: 8.7 → 8.3
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • A-7E, B.ChT.1K (“A-7E”) [JPN]: 10.7 → 10.3
    • A-7K: 11.3 → 11.0
    • F-104S/ASA: 12.0 → 11.7
    • F-16A-5 (Squadron 115) (“Mod”), F-16A-10 [ISR]: 12.7 → 12.3
    • F-15A [ISR], F-15A MSIP, F-15J, F-16A-15 [FRA]: 13.0 → 12.7
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 14.3
    • Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], F-2000A (P4E), Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R), Su-30SM2, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): 14.3 → 14.7
  • Air SB:
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • F-16A-5 (Squadron 115) (“Mod”), F-16A-10 [ISR]: 13.0 → 12.3
    • F-15A [ISR], F-15A MSIP, F-15J, F-16A-15 [FRA]: 13.0 → 12.7
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 14.3
    • Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], F-2000A (P4E), Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R), Su-30SM2, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): 14.3 → 14.7
  • Ground AB:
    • UH Tiger: 10.3 → 10.0
    • T-28 1938/39, T 28 m/38 [SWE]: 1.7 → 2.0
    • Pz.Kpfw. II F: 2.0 → 1.7
    • T26E5: 6.7 → 7.0
    • T58, XM246: 8.3 → 8.7
    • T-55AM-1: 8.7 → 9.0
    • Drakon (“Chaparral”) [ISR]: 10.0 → 9.3
    • M3A3 CFV, Fahris: 10.0 → 9.7
    • T-64BV: 10.0 → 10.3
    • T-80UD: 10.3 → 10.7
    • 9A35M (“Strela-10M”) [DEU], 9A35M2 (“Strela-10M2”), 9A35M (“Strela-10M”) [GBR], T-80UD [CHN], 9A35M (“Sztrela-10M”) [ITA]: 10.7 → 11.0
  • Ground RB:
    • Potez 633-B2: 1.7 → 1.3
    • L-39ZA: 6.7 → 6.3
    • B-29A-20: 7.0 → 6.7
    • MB-326K: 7.0 → 7.3
    • Il-28, Il-28 [CHN], Il-28 [DEU], Il-28 [ITA], Il-28Sh, Tu-4, Tu-4 [CHN], Tu-14T: 7.7 → 7.3
    • B-57B, Canberra B. Mk. 2 (51-17352) (“B-57A”), Canberra B.(I.) Mk. 6: 8.0 → 7.7
    • Canberra B. Mk. 2: 8.3 → 7.7
    • Vautour II A, Vautour II A ([ISR]): 8.3 → 8.0
    • Yak-28B, Yak-30D: 8.7 → 8.3
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • F-104S/CB ([TUR]), F-104S/CI: 11.0 → 10.7
    • F-104S/ASA: 11.3 → 11.0
    • F-111C: 11.7 → 11.3
    • F-16I: 12.7 → 13.0
    • CH-34A: 7.7 → 8.0
    • Mi-8TV: 8.3 → 8.0
    • MH-60L DAP: 11.3 → 11.0
    • AH-129D, Tigre HAC, Tigre HAD/F B2, UH Tiger: 13.0 → 12.7
    • T58, XM246: 8.3 → 8.7
    • Chieftain 900, Chieftain Mk. 10: 9.0 → 9.3
    • Drakon (“Chaparral”) [ISR]: 9.7 → 9.3
    • M3A3 CFV, Fahris: 10.0 → 9.7
    • T-64BV: 10.0 → 10.3
    • TTD, C-1 ADM “Antelope”: 10.3 → 10.0
    • 2S38, T-80UD: 10.3 → 10.7
    • T-80UD [CHN]: 10.7 → 11.0
    • T-72B3M (“T-72B3”): 11.7 → 11.3
  • Ground SB:
    • B-29A-20: 7.0 → 6.7
    • Canberra B. Mk. 2 (51-17352) (“B-57A”), B-57B, Canberra B.(I.) Mk. 6: 8.0 → 7.7
    • Tu-4, Tu-4 [CHN], Il-28, Il-28 [CHN], Il-28 [DEU], Il-28 [ITA], Il-28Sh, Tu-14T: 7.7 → 7.3
    • Yak-30D: 8.0 → 8.3
    • Vautour II A, Vautour II A ([ISR]): 8.3 → 8.0
    • Yak-28B: 8.7 → 8.3
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • F-104S/CB ([TUR]), F-104S/CI: 11.0 → 10.7
    • F-111C: 11.7 → 11.3
    • F-104S/ASA: 11.3 → 11.0
    • F-16I: 12.7 → 13.0
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 13.0
    • T58, XM246: 8.3 → 8.7
    • Chieftain 900, Chieftain Mk. 10: 9.0 → 9.3
    • Drakon (“Chaparral”) [ISR]: 10.0 → 9.3
    • M3A3 CFV, Fahris: 10.0 → 9.7
    • T-64BV: 10.0 → 10.3
    • TTD, C-1 ADM “Antelope”: 10.3 → 10.0
    • 2S38, T-80UD: 10.3 → 10.7
    • T-80UD [CHN]: 10.7 → 11.0
    • T-72B3M (“T-72B3”): 11.7 → 11.3
  • Naval AB:
    • DB-LK: 2.0 → 2.7
    • Yak-30D: 9.0 → 8.7
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • F-104S/ASA: 12.0 → 11.7
    • F-16A-5 (Squadron 115) (“Mod”), F-16A-10 [ISR]: 12.7 → 12.3
    • F-15A [ISR], F-15A MSIP, F-15J, F-16A-15 [FRA]: 13.0 → 12.7
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 14.3
    • Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], F-2000A (P4E), Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R), Su-30SM2, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): 14.3 → 14.7
    • Yukikaze, Kléber (D 603): 4.0 → 4.3
    • Prince of Wales (53): 7.7 → 8.0
    • Vanguard (23): 8.0 → 8.3
  • Naval RB:
    • Potez 633-B2: 1.7 → 1.3
    • MB-326K: 7.0 → 7.3
    • Yak-30D: 8.7 → 8.3
    • F-5 [CHN]: 9.3 → 9.0
    • A-7E, B.ChT.1K (“A-7E”) [JPN]: 10.7 → 10.3
    • A-7K: 11.3 → 11.0
    • F-104S/ASA: 12.0 → 11.7
    • F-16A-5 (Squadron 115) (“Mod”), F-16A-10 [ISR]: 12.7 → 12.3
    • F-15A [ISR], F-15A MSIP, F-15J, F-16A-15 [FRA]: 13.0 → 12.7
    • JAS 39E: 14.0 → 14.3
    • Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], F-2000A (P4E), Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R), Su-30SM2, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): 14.3 → 14.7
    • Yukikaze, Kléber (D 603): 4.0 → 4.3
    • Prince of Wales (53): 7.7 → 8.0
    • Vanguard (23): 8.0 → 8.3
  • T-64BV, T-80B: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/7vBtBqE.png)
  • VT4, WZ123A(Y) (“WZ1001(E) LCT”): new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/GIIViCB.png)
  • Falcon:
    • removed shells / belts: L5A1 SAPHEFI / L14A2 APDS / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L33A1 HEI-T (tier IV)
    • modification changes:
      • Adjustment of Fire, Brake System, Improved FPE, L5A1 SAPHEFI / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L33A1 HEI-T, Suspension: GE cost: 165 → 155
      • Artillery Support, Engine, Transmission:
        • RP cost: 7400 → 9900
        • SL cost: 12000 → 16000
        • GE cost: 300 → 380
      • Crew Replenishment, Elevation Mechanism, Filters: GE cost: 310 → 290
      • Horizontal Drive, Improved Parts, L33A1 HEI-T / L33A1 HEI / L33A1 HEI / L5A1 SAPHEFI, Tracks: GE cost: 185 → 175
  • A.M.X. 30 S D.C.A.:
    • removed shells / belts: L5A1 SAPHEFI / L14A2 APDS / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L33A1 HEI-T (tier IV)
    • modification changes:
      • Adjustment of Fire, Brake System, Improved FPE, L5A1 SAPHEFI / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L5A1 SAPHEFI / L33A1 HEI-T, Suspension: GE cost: 210 → 200
      • Artillery Support, Engine, ESS, Laser rangefinder, Transmission:
        • RP cost: 6500 → 7900
        • SL cost: 10000 → 13000
        • GE cost: 260 → 300
      • Crew Replenishment, Elevation Mechanism, Filters, Smoke grenade: GE cost: 300 → 280
      • Horizontal Drive, Improved Parts, L33A1 HEI-T / L33A1 HEI / L33A1 HEI / L5A1 SAPHEFI, Tracks: GE cost: 240 → 230
  • Aisne:
    • subchaser → gunboat
    • achievement country: France → USSR
    • modification changes:
      • minimum repair cost: 300 / 294 → 309 / 295 SL/minute
      • full repair cost: 1396 / 2117 → 2837 / 3929 SL
      • SL multiplier: 1.74 / 2.95 / 1.0 → 4.66 / 7.57 / 1.0
  • Marne:
    • subchaser → gunboat
    • achievement country: France → USSR
    • modification changes:
      • minimum repair cost: 469 / 478 → 478 / 468 SL/minute
      • full stock repair cost: 1951 / 3032 → 4351 / 6286 SL
      • full spaded repair cost: 2488 / 3868 → 5550 / 8018 SL
      • SL multiplier: 0.93 / 1.41 / 1.0 → 2.41 / 3.79 / 1.0
  • 183 mm L4A1 (F.V. 4005): reload time: 29.94 → 25 s
  • Bullet Hell description text changes: “Bullet Hell is a team deathmatch style mode that pits two aircraft teams against each other using guns only. No missiles allowed! You can rearm and refuel in a special zone marked on the mini-map. The first team to reach the required score will emerge victorious!” → “Bullet Hell is a team deathmatch style mode that pits two aircraft teams against each other using guns only. No missiles allowed! The first team to reach the required score will emerge victorious!”

2.53.0.73 → 2.53.0.74

  • F-15C (2018) “Golden Eagle”, F/A-18C (late), F/A-18E-2: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/IcCj0Ng.png)
  • Eurofighter (P1Ea) [DEU], Eurofighter (P4E) [DEU], IDS-Tornado (ASSTA 1): new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/MZfwRzs.png)
  • Su-30SM, Su-30SM2: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/fEqO1Bt.png)
  • F/A-18A (HUG 2.4), Tornado F. Mk. 3, Tornado G.R. Mk. 1, Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P1Ea), Typhoon F.G.R. Mk. 4 (P4E): new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/JZjB0OC.png)
  • B.Kh.19 (“F-16A-15 OCU”) [JPN], F-15J(M), Su-30MKM: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/iFko7lL.png)
  • J-10A, J-10C, J-11, J-11A, J-11B: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/s8ZJ2hM.png)
  • A-200A (1995) (“Italian IDS-Tornado (1995)”), A-200C (“Italian IDS-Tornado MLU”) (RET.8), F-2000A (P1Ea), F-2000A (P4E), Tornado F. Mk. 3 [ITA]: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/Dwu3h59.png)
  • Rafale C (F3R), Rafale M (F3R): new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/MG6Jftc.png)
  • JAS 39C, JAS 39E: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/lNTv2Cp.png)
  • F-15A [ISR], F-16I: new news label: “In the near future, the placement of this vehicle will change. If this change might make it harder for you to obtain certain vehicles in this tree, it may be worth researching and purchasing it before the changes come into effect.” (https://i.imgur.com/NONKYKW.png)
  • the pictured USSR and CHN ground, as well as the tier IX air changes are slated for “the beginning of March”

Current dev version: 2.53.0.74

Current WiP live version: 2.53.0.72

Current regular live version: 2.53.0.70

8970

Why its OP, it has swedish bias, it being 10.7 in ground the same BR as PD phantoms confirms this, that or british players are bad.

8971

That is the BR change, likely gunna drop end of this week or early next week

8972

Finally, the FV4005 having the same reload as the M55 but at a much higher BR was just ridiculously stupid

8973

For what… why put the F-15 12.7?

8974

US mains suffer

8975

So US mains are just gonna get premium treatment from gaijin now?

8976

This isn’t even the first time that the F-15A got this treatment, the US players somehow always manage to keep the statistics of their planes way below average lmao

8977

Not just the US mains though, even F-15J has suprisingly low stats, while it’s slightly better than the F-15A and Japanese players are generally some of the better minor nation players.

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8978

its not the plane its the pilot

look at how much they complain about the abrams and look at the stats of the US ones

and now just look at the stats of the abrams in the chinese tree

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8979

If only Gaijin would balance vehicles based on their specs, rather than average player performance

8980

I remember F-15A variants during air superiority release too were 0.3 BR lower than gripen A and Su27s lol

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8981

I can see the logic behind this. Say what you want about US (and somehow JP?) mains, but f-15’s were THE worst performing 13.0’s as of this patch (K/B and K/D-wise). The only thing coming even close was the French IR-only F-16 at 13.0, and guess what:
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So yeah. Chain of thought is pretty evident here.

8982

Unless something catastrophic happens, when BR changes reach the point of my datamines, they almost always go live the next day (EU morning).

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8983

As always, the solution should be even more decompression, but for whatever reason, Gaijin insists on lowering the BRs of vehicles that underperform according to their statistics

Somehow they always manage to introduce more compression whenever they give us even the slightest amount of decompression somewhere else

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8984

They want to make sure their wallet warriors with an attention span of 5 seconds don’t have to wait for more than those 5 seconds before getting a match

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8985

Absolutely tragic.

8986

The F15As are not too high in BR, that is not the issue… everything above it is too low. Idk what to tell you.

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