Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

Ok, in short,

The issue is that the entire erroneous argument that underpins the flawed reasoning of the MANPADS article is only true for the case where the control surfaces are a bi-modal (aka. Bang Bang) system as is the case with the Igla / Redeye (FIM-43).

As is well established for the FIM-92 as shown in the currently awaiting implementation for one and a half years report, it uses a proportional control section where the control surfaces can deflect optimally(via dithering the actuators at 250 cps around the commanded surface deflection) regardless of orientation.

And as such the FIM-92 (and probably Mistral, but no data) shouldn’t be impacted by the G-Averaging mechanic, thus be able to take full advantage of their lateral acceleration listed in their respective primary sources, and so have their limit be increased to ~20G.

Relevant Stinger G&C excerpt;

and the Redeye which works similarly to the Igla.

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Thanks, really appreciate it! :)

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So in essence from what i can tell it’s still sort of a bang bang but with a orientational filter making the missiles wings only guide at the “top” of the sine curve and not through the entire sine curves hyperbola?

That would negate a lot of energy loss from overcorrecting in the positive and negative orthogonal direction but wouldn’t it also result in a lower average g-load for the half rotation as the integral for the guiding period becomes smaller?

Wait… i might be dumb, i think i’m reading the wrong patent… excuse my morning confusion.

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So now that i’ve read the correct document…

What i gather from this is that the guidance logic deflects the wings an amount depending on the targets deviation from the desired angle in relation to the missiles direction of travel. So they do not fully deflect unless needed due to a very high of boresight target. This should result in much better energy retention but in my understanding not a higher average g-load as the max attainable average g-load would still be the same as currently in the game. It’s just that the deflection isn’t made at a maximum for every case of deviation, but instead a proportional deflection is applied based on the targets deviation amount.

So max peak g-load and max average g-load would in that case still be correct but the guidance should be smother and it should not overcorrect if the target is (or is very close to) inline with the missiles direction of travel.

Did i get that right?

@Smin1080p_WT seeing as the RU report got an Message saying it should be fixed and so
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Could we also get the Message on ghe EN report?
EN:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/zQnQiLTckFCC
RU:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9lPbtpglUnS6

Also, what are we supposed to do on consoles?

So, all nations received a missile as powerful as the Kh-38MT? Or a missile as powerful as the Vikhr? Or did their main battle tanks receive anti-splinter liner? And now all countries have received the BMPT?

Nope, which is why I said:

But if we go back listing unbalanced additions, the US certainly has quite a list of those as well, so I’m not sure you want go there if you want to preserve your skill issue camouflaged as “US suffers” agenda.

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Sort of,

Note that in the provided excerpt(s) “Figure. 6d”, there is practically no acceleration registered in the horizontal (aka. quadrature) component during steady state flight over a rotation(“Figure. 6b”). As such the average acceleration is the “maximum” value once the steady state is achieved post launch across many rotations, as is evident in rotations occurring between 0.4~0.9 seconds (“Figure. 6c”).

As such the value for “lateral acceleration” seen in documentation can be very well assumed to be either maximum or average acceleration as it evidently would not make a difference for the FIM-92 if it was modeled faithfully.

Where as with the Redeye / Igla there is a significant quantity(“Fx”), only that over any particular rotation (assuming that the roll rate remain constant over time, which it doesn’t IRL) the net lift is canceled completely. and that the average value for “Fz” is very much not the maximum observed lift.


If I wanted that I’d point out the fact that The Stinger (FIM-92B and later variants, which use the POST seeker) missed out on the “Optical Contrast lock” mechanic, arbitrarily (Type 93 and Strela received it). Even though it is well known that it uses a dual band(IR / UV) seeker. Simply because the UV band is not in the “visual spectrum” of light.

Which again has been reported in the following report

Contrast range extension for POST seeker FIM-92



Or that the ATAL (Rail used to mount ATAS missiles) is limited to the basic Stinger arbitrarily because we can’t prove that any particular airframe carried which missile even though We’ve got primary documentation stating that the ATAL can mount the -92C or -92E, and that the AH-64E(V)6 (among other mainline AH-64 variants, and assorted US airframes), can mount the ATAL rail.

AH-64E access to later Stinger variants for ATAS / ATAL

“The source does not contain any information about the use of these missiles on the AH-64E.
Reports like this require direct proofs, not guesswork.”


The “Guesswork” involved.

Launcher Fires two Basic, Reprogrammable Microprocessor (RMP), or RMP Block I missiles; No Missile modification required”


Major Software insertions


  • Weapons Upgrades(R-Model Hellfires, ATAS)

AH-64E V6 Radar

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@Smin1080p_WT @Piciu713 guys where is the battle pass dev blog, only 2 days left

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The current one ends on my birthday my bet we’ll see the news on Tuesday

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I’m still waiting for Japanese CAS aircraft. For example, the Ki-51/71, the Japanese equivalent of the IL-2, or the A6M7, the equivalent of the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F-8, or the Ki-93, the equivalent of the T18B (57). Does Gajin seriously believe that the Japanese are incapable of building such aircraft? After 70 years, is the American propaganda that the Japanese only build aircraft under license and are incapable of making their own aircraft in the Gajin universe still relevant?

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Day 1058 of waiting for Polish tech tree

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War thunder player base who don’t go outside : “Gaijin change low cloud cover it’s too annoying and unrealistic”

Me in irl :

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Why did I wait 10 seconds for the image to load

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Because it’s from my phone lol, but still what a view from the Derbyshire dales !

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I meant it looks like it’s not loaded but it actually is

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Same.

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Well they literally just added an Su30 with KH38MTs to Japan. They could do the same to other nations like Britain.

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I get what you mean now, even in discord it looks like it hasn’t loaded lol

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China has the Su-30MKK that should be able to use it, but they are probably saving it for a techtree MK2 variant.

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That’s probably the road we are heading down right now. I don’t see a reason why Gaijin wouldn’t do so. They have shown a clear reluctance to back track on badly timed additions.

You get a KH38MT, you get a KH38MT, YOU ALL GET A KH38!!!

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It’s sunday, they’ll post the blog tomorrow or on Tuesday